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Post by 999900000999 »

refulgentis wrote: post #378
999900000999 wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to be honest. C# , NodeJS, Python and rarely Java( had a rough year), pay my bills. Flutter/Dart doesn't. If you know someone hiring a Flutter developer I'm 100% down to interview. I don't hate Kotlin, it feels like Google's answer to Swift( although Java was never as hard as Objective C). I even built a small project with it. Can we at least agree it's weird Google is trying to promote 2 different language…

Only for the crowd, I need point out that no one's arguing there's more Dart jobs than C#. Re: multiple frameworks, I worked at Google and would argue I know as much as anyone does exactly what happened there, so I can't agree it's weird, per se. Handwaving, I'd say that's because the situation seems more 'certain' or 'settled' to me, for good reasons, but ones not worth getting into. There's absolutely tons of threa…

Do you personally dislike Java/Kotlin ?

Java just feels like a less refined C# to me, but I'd be fine with it if offered a FAANG job.

I've tried to learn C++ too since I think I'd open up some job opportunities, but it's just too hard for me.

So who won, Kotlin or Flutter ?

From your last paragraph, I take your prefer to work as a Flutter dev all else(pay) being equal?

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

fastball wrote: post #289
breck wrote: post #132

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Wow, I had seen signs that Flutter was something special for years, but hadn't checked in a while. Some relevant data: - Over 165K GH stars - Over 140K subredditers - Over 500K YouTube subscribers The 1M estimate is at least ballpark accurate. https://pldb.io/concepts/flutter.html

Does subscribing to a coffee-tuber automatically make you a barista?

James Hoffman, I presume?

I don’t sub him on YouTube - but I’m not lying when I say everyone I know IRL who does sub his channel has worked as a barista at some point in their lives (…and purchase actual chemical-lab supplies for their coffee brews).

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by yencabulator »

skybrian wrote: post #82

Back when I worked on GWT, we had trouble accepting outside contributions because the team had a mandate to support Googlers. That is, much like other libraries and tools at Google, changes could not break google3. This means testing patches against google3 and either changing the patch, or fixing whatever code used it, and these are tasks that no outsider can do. Shepherding these patches is no fun when you have you…

> when you have your own changes to work on that are more important to the team.

That part is the killer. Important to the Google Flutter team != important to the wider Flutter community.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by joezydeco »

malkia wrote: post #364
1st1 wrote: post #348

> How large is the Flutter team, today? Google doesn't publish this information, but my guess is that the team is about 50 people strong. > That's 50 people serving the needs of 1,000,000. Doing a little bit of division, that means that every single member of the Flutter team is responsible for the needs of 20,000 Flutter developers! That ratio is clearly unworkable for any semblance of customer support. This is a we…

Python is an engine, flutter is the whole car.

Like a Fisker Ocean?

Launched, abandoned. Scammed again.

When are you all gonna learn?

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by quesera »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #250
arccy wrote: post #2

To still use flutter in the name when your project is called flock seems beyond misleading.

And a fantastic way to get sued out of existence by a rich corporation.

FWIW, the only realistic legal action right now is a cease and desist letter.

Which will be responded to swiftly with no lawsuits or damages exchanged.

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Post by dgellow »

epcoa wrote: post #204
1propionyl wrote: post #134

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Flutter is really not some big revelation and it's always shocking to me how it's evangelists act like it's the game changer no one else has noticed. It's just not that good? Just build native UIs. I don't know why cross platform UI has been such a hobbyhorse for so many for so long: it's a stupid idea.

What's a native UI? The only thing closeish to a native UI is macOS and iOS AppKit and UIKit. Winforms aka Win32 is still a thing, but Microsoft has been undogfooding that and putting out alternatives for years, now WinUI3 will definitely kill off Winforms for good! What is native on Linux? Gtk, Qt, Motif (lol)? And then Android? Ironic then that Google is the one behind Flutter. The concept of native outside of MacO…

WinUI3 doesn’t kill WinForms… WPF, WinUI, WinForms all exist together

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by malkia »

joezydeco wrote: post #424
malkia wrote: post #364

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Python is an engine, flutter is the whole car.

Like a Fisker Ocean? Launched, abandoned. Scammed again. When are you all gonna learn?

Heh, as long as the ocean does not cause them to burn - https://jalopnik.com/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-hybrids-...

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Post by zdragnar »

milch wrote: post #382
pastage wrote: post #374

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You have to listen to the details, like "where is the back button", "Why does text work differently". There are some people that understand that it is different from the standard, but most just get annoyed. The discussion here is from a technical perspective why it is better, conformity of the app on different platforms vs standard behavior between different apps. There are very few people that care about the technic…

I'd also like to meet all these mythical users that have devices from every platform and want all their apps to look the same across all platforms. 99% of people I know IRL are in one ecosystem, with the exception of some that have an iPhone/iPad + Windows PC

Hello! I use three platforms on a daily basis. I vastly prefer my apps to be reasonably consistent with themselves rather than trying too hard to adhere to the platform.

My wife is on two. Most of my friends are on either two or three. In fact, I'm pretty sure my parents and a few coworkers are the only people I know who are exclusively on one platform.

Many (most?) people don't have a clue as to what the particulars of any given platform even are. They know how to get around in each app they use, and maybe the web browser, and that's it. Lots of gestures go completely unused.

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Post by croemer »

ckastner wrote: post #100

> flutterfoundation.dev It's not Flutter by own admission, it's very likely not backed by a foundation, and I highly doubt that Google consented to its "Flutter" trademark used for such a foundation.

Good chance that Google legal won't be happy and ask the website to be taken down. https://docs.flutter.dev/brand
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