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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by zmgsabst »

epolanski wrote: post #404
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

Being just a service provider makes you easy to replace with other service providers. Professionals instead don't love to change the tools once they got used to it for small incremental gains.

But my subscription at $20/mo is a fraction of my API usage at $5/day (about $100/mo).

You can sell a lot more GPT services through a higher bandwidth channel — and OpenAI doesn’t give me a way to reach the same bandwidth through their user interface.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by faangguyindia »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

The best way I've found are aider and Zed editor's ai integration is crazy good. (It lets u delete AI response unlike Cursor AI)

Zed is lightening fast.

Wish it had more features.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jimjimjim »

fhdsgbbcaA wrote: post #273
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #251

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I have some bad experience about it. Asked it to help generate python code to make a vpn server with extra layers, but it refused. What in the dictatorship is this? ChatGPT on the other hand did it with no problems. Seems like Claude has a lot more censorship and restrictions for what I tested it.

Attempting to do any form of security work using LLM is nigh impossible without a few steps of nudging it out of its “while user is asking me to do bad things: say no” loop. After a year of heavy LLM use I’ve found the utility limits, my usage has peaked, and I’m developing very restrictive use cases. Beyond functioning as an interactive O’Reilly manual, LLM only save time if you never read the code they produce. Whi…

This is where I've ended up. The code and info is out there on the internet.

To me LLMs are this decade's stackoverflow copy 'n paste. Just with a more fancy search and replace

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

As an engineer I've spoken to a couple of different designers who are building out prototypes of their startup ideas using LLM assistance with the coding.

While no actual engineer is involved at that stage, if they got funded then I'm sure their next step will be to hire a real engineer to do it all properly.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by james_marks »

LifeIsBio wrote: post #395
james_marks wrote: post #382

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From Wikipedia, for that don’t know the term: “a concept in economics that describes a process in which new innovations replace and make obsolete older innovations.” Ironically, I had to google it, and agree with the comment.

I'm usually pretty verbose with prompts, so I wanted to see what chatgpt would do with just a "Schumpeter's Creative Destruction" https://chatgpt.com/share/66ff28e2-ea74-800b-a230-86d562f60f...

Not bad. I do love the ability to share a chatGPT thread. I haven’t found that yet in Claude and would use it.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

b212 wrote: post #418
boodleboodle wrote: post #416

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The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

With AGI you won’t need most of the human race anymore, developers are just the tip of the iceberg. Luckily ChatGPT and the rest have nothing to do with an AI not to mention AGI.

It's not AGI yet but has everything to do with it.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by breck »

cj wrote: post #417
breck wrote: post #388

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Not the op, but I just tried it. I agree with his point that this is a huge step up in having the discussion and then a separate canvas where the work takes place, and then iterations are done to the canvas. I LOVE the UX animation effect ChatGPT added to show the canvas being updated (even if it really is just for show). Here's my user test so you know I actually used it. My jaw begins to drop around minute 7: https…

That’s a great demo of Canvas. Slightly OT, but one thing I noticed further into the demo is how you were prompting. Rather than saying “embed my projects in my portfolio site” you told it to “add an iframe with the src being the project url next to each project”. Similarly, instead of “make the projects look nice”, you told it to “use css transforms to …” If I were a new developer starting today, it feels like I wou…

> Basically it looks like a tool that can code for you if you are capable of writing the code yourself (given enough time).

Yes, exactly. I use it the way I used to outsource tasks to junior developers. I describe what I need done and then I do code review.

I know roughly where I want to go and how to get there, like having a sink full of dirty dishes and visualizing an empty sink with all the dishes cleaned and put away, and I just instruct it to do the tedious bits.

But I try and watch how other people use it, and have a few other different styles that I employ sometimes as well.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by beej71 »

vasco wrote: post #223
atomic128 wrote: post #75

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Don't fight this. Try to profit from it. People love these tools and they will become utterly, utterly dependent. Using a spell-checker, I have gradually lost my ability to spell. Using these LLM tools, large parts of the population will lose the ability to think. Try to own them like farm animals. The large number of tokens being processed by iterative models requires enormous energy. Look at the power draw of a Hop…

> large parts of the population will lose the ability to think. Try to own them like farm animals. You're so edgy that you might cut yourself, be careful. What is wrong with making profit by helping people through providing a service?

Asked Purdue Pharma... :)

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by natch »

chambo622 wrote: post #399
natch wrote: post #218

It would be great if OpenAI could just wait on these announcements until they can turn on the feature for all Plus users at once. Rant. Their poor communication is exemplary in the industry. You can't even ask the old models about new models. The old models think that 4o is 4.0 (cute, team, you're so cool /s), and think that it's not possible to do multimodal. It's as if model tuning does not exist. I had a model spe…

It was out to 100% in a few hours. https://x.com/sama/status/1841946796274176405

And yet... still not showing up on Version 1.2024.268 (1727484326)

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dboreham »

boodleboodle wrote: post #416
epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.
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