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Post by parineum »

Zigurd wrote: post #365
ekianjo wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

every employer that has quotas for non-white employees? that necessarily follows. not that its not limited to race. if an org wants more women they will actively select candidates based on gender first.

Comparing a specific employer against "every employer that has quotas" is not a useful comparison.

Discrimination is a necessary means to achieve quoatas, no matter what the quota is.

Introducing discrimination is often the explicitly stated purpose of quotas

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Post by darthrupert »

janalsncm wrote: post #258

It should tell you something that 95% of the union voted to strike. I found more information from them here: https://www.nyguild.org/post/new-york-times-tech-guild-votes... I wonder how other news outlets will cover this, if at all. They’re probably afraid others will get the same idea.

What percentage of workers are in the union?

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Post by spondylosaurus »

nickff wrote: post #416
spondylosaurus wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Gender critical" in what sense?

Not parent, but it’s a term of art https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-critical_feminism

Ah, so they're a hate group!

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Post by andai »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #384
jimbokun wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Women, who make up 41% of the Tech Guild, earn 12% less on average than men > * Black women and Hispanic or Latina women, who make up just over 6 percent of the Tech Guild, make 33% less than white men in the unit > * Black workers, who make up 7 percent of the union, earn 26% less than white workers Do they work equivalent jobs with equivalent experience?

If we look at past times these things are brought up; almost certainly not. Often things like part-time vs. full time aren't considered or amount of overtime hours worked (for hourly jobs).

The reasoning I heard is that it's explained by differences in personality across the two populations. One group is, on average, more assertive, and as a result more likely to negotiate higher salary.

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Post by cess11 »

thegrim33 wrote: post #112
mint2 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what infographic makers declare, the NYT newsroom is not “left” leaning. Their coverage is much more complicated than left vs right, but one theme is they don’t question the loudest narratives, and they hold grudges when they perceive someone to not give them enough access. The right tends to be louder and more uniform and persistent in messaging, so that coloring often gets unconsciously added to artic…

Well here's a challenge for you, we can easily put your viewpoint to the test: Go on the NYT website right now and find me a single article currently on the front page that's negative about leftist policies or politicians, or a single article that's positive about rightist policies or politicians. I bet you can't find any. Repeat this experiment, any minute, any hour, any day, any year, for the last 10 years, and you…

When I visit now the screen fills with headlines that are sympathetic to Harris and seems to support her candidacy.

Obviously not a leftist bias.

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Post by maximinus_thrax »

novayumatango wrote: post #312
paperplatter wrote: post #231

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I doubt the SWEs have useful insider info at a company of this size.

And even if they did, there are trading blackout periods to prevent this (like other companies of similar size)

It seems that subtlety doesn't cut through the 'akshually' layer. The point I was trying to make is that regardless of what the company files publicly, employees will have more relevant information than an external observer such as us. There may be internal memos announcing upcoming changes in working conditions or benefits, chatter about SLT, chatter about acquisitions, layoffs, etc...

So, the argument that we can better figure out if the strike is worth it or not is bullshit.

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Post by loeg »

dwallin wrote: post #394
jimbokun wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Women, who make up 41% of the Tech Guild, earn 12% less on average than men > * Black women and Hispanic or Latina women, who make up just over 6 percent of the Tech Guild, make 33% less than white men in the unit > * Black workers, who make up 7 percent of the union, earn 26% less than white workers Do they work equivalent jobs with equivalent experience?

It's notable that you completely skipped over the following point: > Two-thirds of the members fired by New York Times management since the Times Tech Guild formed have been from underrepresented groups.

The statistic, just like the other ones, doesn't tell you whether these firings were reasonable or not.

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Post by loeg »

slt2021 wrote: post #402
marxisttemp wrote: post #375

Let’s all remember that the vast majority of programmers are not mathematicians, nor logicians, nor authors, we are tradespeople. And you’ll notice that tradespeople in almost every other industry unionize.

programmers are close to doctors than plumbers: high comp, high knowledge industry, constant learning Doctors have cartel though, instead of union that protects their jobs by limiting number of residency slots that limits number of new licensed doctors

The AMA is functionally similar to a union for Doctors.

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Post by deepsun »

jimbokun wrote: post #369
janalsncm wrote: post #258

It should tell you something that 95% of the union voted to strike. I found more information from them here: https://www.nyguild.org/post/new-york-times-tech-guild-votes... I wonder how other news outlets will cover this, if at all. They’re probably afraid others will get the same idea.

> * Women, who make up 41% of the Tech Guild, earn 12% less on average than men > * Black women and Hispanic or Latina women, who make up just over 6 percent of the Tech Guild, make 33% less than white men in the unit > * Black workers, who make up 7 percent of the union, earn 26% less than white workers Do they work equivalent jobs with equivalent experience?

It's averages. It could take as little as one ultra-high-paying worker (like CEO) to skew the statistics of averages.

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Post by grumple »

ljlolel wrote: post #269
aurareturn wrote: post #267

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Isn’t it a little ironic that NY Times, and most east coast media, is very anti big tech and pro union while their own employees are protesting because of low wages? Who are they to judge how big tech treats their employees when they pay their own so poorly?

They’re also incredibly non-diverse and complain about big tech being non-diverse.

Is big tech non-diverse? It seems to have a higher non-white population than the US itself according the numbers I've been able to find. If we count contractors and off-shore, it will become even less white. I'd bet tech has a higher proportion of LGBT+ people as well (without looking at numbers, admittedly, but I'd be surprised if I was wrong). Gender diversity is an issue; but not for lack of trying. Cis women are probably 5% of the resumes I see.
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