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Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by 4k93n2 »

cynical_slave wrote: post #416
TuxMark5 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sideberry for Firefox has settings that allow changing how new tabs behave. One of the settings allows placing new tabs on top of the list.

It seems Sideberry only allows opening new tabs at the beginning of the list. That is not the same as just sorting newest at the top, since it also switches the order of native tabs as well. I want native tabs (since we can't hide them) to remain left to right. And I can't even move the "New Tab" button to the top.

changing "place new tab (general rule)" to "panel start" in sidebery will put the new tab right at the top. unless you mean you want it only at the top of the group?

zen also has a "compact mode" than hides the native tabs, but it hides other things you might want as well

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by Robbo89 »

gxonatano wrote: post #386

The problems these browsers are trying to solve aren't web browser problems, they're window manager problems. Your web browser shouldn't try to be a window manager. - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically.…

I haven't logged into this site for years but just had to after this... what a load of rubbish. Zen browser is showing what firefox should have been at least half a decade ago.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

Defletter wrote: post #403
whodev wrote: post #402

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Tbh, I think this is way more subjective then you're making it out to be. I subjectively would not want to use a WM for most of these points. > - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically. I feel Edge does this…

Yup, that 100 tab comment had me instantly clocking them as an i3 (or similar) user. There's just something about those types of window managers that has them convinced it's some kind of panacea for every problem. We already have tabs and we already have bookmarks: if bookmarks were an easier way to queue things up to look at later than tabs, most people would already be doing that, and yet tabs prevail. There must t…

> There must therefore be something about tabs that people find more useful and or more convenient than bookmarks.

I suspect it really is as simple as 'tabs are always visible'. Hidden behind a menu, it's easy to forget bookmarks exist unless you really buy into that way of working and open your bookmarks menu frequently. Tabs are the 'default' alternative. However, I do think most browser bookmarking could be improved immeasurably — start by having a proper bookmark manager, similar to something like Pinboard.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by niutech »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #390
lionelw wrote: post #378

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Firefox restores all windows.

If you close your windows in the wrong order, you will lose your tabs and pinned tabs. Example: Have a primary window with you email, calendar and important sites pinned. Then open another window and open a few tabs. Then at the end of the day, close your primary window first, then discover you still have the secondary window open and close it as well. When you restart Firefox you will get the secondary window and yo…

Use Ctrl-Shift-Q so that all windows are closed at once.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by sparky_ »

warkdarrior wrote: post #321
sparky_ wrote: post #212

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This super unhelpful error is sometimes the result of trying to run an unsigned or developer signed binary on Apple Silicon. Try `xattr -d com.apple.quarantine program.app`, then open it by right clicking on the app, and selecting 'Open' while holding option + command.

Bypassing Gatekeeper (the binary signing process in macOS) does not seem like a good idea when downloading apps off random websites.

Given the audience on HN, I think we can presume any readers of my comment are not trying to execute completely random untrusted binaries. There are legitimate cases when you need to do this to run a binary you trust, but the system doesn't.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by ben2talk »

gxonatano wrote: post #386

The problems these browsers are trying to solve aren't web browser problems, they're window manager problems. Your web browser shouldn't try to be a window manager. - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically.…

Personally I agree with split panes in browsers - but not that it's better to use desktop workspaces than have workspaces to contain browser tabs.

I think a 'mail' workspace is useful - especially if those tabs aren't running when you switch workspaces... haven't tried it yet, how's it much different to a 'mail' folder with bookmarks inside).

I can't understand people who want 100 tabs open. Neer happened to me, I think going on over 20 or 30 is getting crazy already and time to sort things out.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by ben2talk »

Robbo89 wrote: post #422
gxonatano wrote: post #386

The problems these browsers are trying to solve aren't web browser problems, they're window manager problems. Your web browser shouldn't try to be a window manager. - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically.…

I haven't logged into this site for years but just had to after this... what a load of rubbish. Zen browser is showing what firefox should have been at least half a decade ago.

Not at all. Zen browser is trying to achieve Vivaldi UI on the Firefox browser - but more limited. Opera has been doing this for years...

More fluid tab experience looked nice - though I don't prefer vertical tabs, I liked that I could drag to make them bigger/compact, drag them to top/bottom/sides, and use a shortcut to HideUI.

HideUI is the single most loved feature of this 'Firefox' for me. To get rid of the tab/tool/URL bars, but have access (via keyboard/mouseover) is awesome... though better if we could assign something like F7 tabs F4 toolbar.

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