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If apple wanted to or thought they could make a profitable search engine, wouldn't they have already done it?
They've been trying to make a car for the past decade, arguably an easier task than making a search engine.
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That's false. Google paid Apple to be the default. There is no reporting whatsoever that there is any other payment to be in the list of alternatives. There is no evidence that Microsoft pays Apple to include Bing in the list of alternatives. So nothing whatsoever like that was revealed in the case.
Dude, given you don't have any evidence to the contrary, the correct response here is "wow, I hadn't heard of that, please tell me more", rather than to assume that if you haven't heard of something, it must be false. I don't know why there was no reporting of this, but it is what Gabriel Wineberg testified to under oath. See the trial transcripts, 2023-09-21, 1:36pm[0]. > Q. And since this agreement was signed in 20…
Do you know if Microsoft, Yahoo, and Ecosia also pay for placement? Since those are the other options Safari provides?
You're right, I shouldn't have said it was false -- I thought I'd followed this subject very closely, and this is definitely not common knowledge at all. I stand corrected, thanks.
I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…
> Google didn't buy its way into dominance annd maintain their dominance through exclusivity deals That’s just a waste of money then. Why are they paying bilious to Mozilla and Apple? Because they’re good buddies? Wouldn’t people use Google anyway? Just imagine the Google CFO looking through the finance spreadsheets last year and instead of going “let’s layoff a whole bunch of people” they go with “let’s stop paying…
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This is not the courts problem. Google needs to solve this before the split.
It is always the court's problem. A judge does not have arbitrary or absolute authority. If Google can convince an appeals court that the judge has imposed an impossible or unreasonable remedy it will be overturned.
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Disagree. People use Google because it's the default, not because they will go out of their way to keep using it. The minute Apple changes the iPhone default, all but a few iPhone users stop using Google.
> People use Google because it's the default, not because they will go out of their way to keep using it. Is this actually true? Microsoft has bent over backwards trying making it inconvenient to get Chrome + Google on any new device. There's even the whole "Edge is the #1 browser to install Chrome" meme. Normies just really like Google.
Its not uncommon to search for product X, only to find product Z being ranked above the official store of X. Google search is advertisement first, quality second.
Bing may be equally crappy too. Microsoft "welcome to edge" page is a bunch of advertisement for Microsoft products and then in the corner there is a search window. I have not tested bing itself to see if their flood of advertisements are as bad as google, but I sure do not trust Microsoft. Windows start menu being overloaded with advertisements are a cautionary tale of what happen when Microsoft is copying google.
Normies do not like having advertisement being thrown in their face, but they will tolerate it if they have no choice or if the advertisement is hidden enough that they do not know that what they see is a bought listing.
It's Apple who is using their market power in smartphones to dominate search. Apple makes 10's of billions a year out of search. In the search business, they are a distributor. Google doesn't want to pay this money, they are forced to.
No body is forced to do anything. Google can just not pay that money and lose that share of the market. They're not doing that because they want to preserve their monopoly status.
In practice, even more wrong. If management decided to not pay this money, and gave up that positioning to a competitor, they would be fired. If the board allowed it to continue, they could be sued. They are forced.
No one at google sits around thinking "i want to preserve our monopoly status". They are thinking "I don't want to be crushed by someone". Google can be crushed just like any other company. Their panic around AI is due to the fact they think it could crush their search business, and they are correct to think so.
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I’m one of the paying Kagi customer who wants to make Kagi my default iOS search engine, but cannot. It’s maddening that even though I paid for both my iPhone / iPad and for Kagi, Apple for some reason makes it impossible for me to make this choice (that I already made by paying for Kagi). On Chrome at least this is possible, even if it’s additional steps (I have not used the extension though there.)
"for some reason" (the reason was 20 billion per year in cash)
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Compromise on your computing freedom, compromise on your attention and privacy, when both providers are out to fuck you it doesn't really feel like you have a meaningful choice to make. Asking for an environment where fucking your customers isn't allowed feels like the only option.
Many Android devices can be de-Googled. Also, let's not pretend Apple isn't spying on your iCloud account to protect the children.
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> But denying by court a company a right to honestly pay to another company Considering this is an antitrust case, those payments are not honest.
That is my point - they _are_ honest (i.e. not stolen or tax evaded, not earned on illegal drugs etc). But a short sighted court decided otherwise for whatever dumb reason they had.
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I did have issues on Linux regarding the extension working in private windows due to the official Firefox extension being out-of-date. Using the latest Github release of their extension fixed it, and they promptly submitted the new update for it to propagate through the extension store after a ticket on their feedback forum asked about it[0]. Github releases with .xpi's to install have been removed[1] which is odd bu…
We're definitely keeping the extensions going, just need to prioritise a few parts internally. You can just git clone the new chrome extension and 'load unpacked' if that's of any use. It's extremely simple. https://github.com/kagisearch/chrome_extension_basic