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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by pradn »

weberer wrote: post #21

I've noticed an uptick recently of large brands to start referring to themselves as "The [Brand] Community". The author pointed out Youtube here (who in an Orwellian manner calls their ToS "community guidelines") but I've also seen it with many other multi-million dollar companies such as Reddit, Twitter, etc. Young people today are reaching out for real support structures, but only receiving manipulation from corpor…

The words "friend" (everyone knows how shallow a "Facebook friend" is), "share" ("ride-sharing" instead of calling a taxi), and "community" (is the entire customer base of Facebook really a community?) have been shorn of their sociable, human meanings. It's as if a corporation were mining the good will humans have accreted to those words over millenia.

Sometimes there are communities in these spaces - NUMTOTs or small Discord servers. Other times its just marketing foo foo.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by drooby »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #403
drooby wrote: post #60

I have recently started traveling and working remote at "co-living" hotels. And I must say, this is the ideal way I wish to live my life in my 20s-30s. Community makes life fun. Someone needs to import co-living to the US. And I don't mean these "co-living" apartment complexes that exist in our major cities. I mean like, actual communities with character and life.

I'm gonna be a old man shouting at the clouds. But co-living spaces work because they are generally small projects and have very driven and charismatic people leading those projects. The moment something like that grows or scales to a tipping where real estate funds take interest then it will naturally enshitify as most things in society that have been monetized by large scale investors. I agree with everything you s…

Nah I hear you, and I agree.

The co-living spaces in most major US cities are basically just developers trying to glamorize apartments with roomates.

Though to scale it up and minimize the enshitification, perhaps some sort of framework or guide could be created that allows smaller groups to more easily navigate the legal and financial challenges on their own.

What seems to make this so much easier in other countries are the lack of regulations.

Hostels and some Bed and Breakfasts come close to the co-living experience in the US though. And they maintain their unique charm. It's definitely possible.

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Post by enraged_camel »

aantix wrote: post #317
fergonco wrote: post #57

Just a data point: In Valencia, Spain, in the 80s, children played in the street with no much supervision from parents. Occasionally we would stop the football match to let a car drive by. Forgetting your keys at home was no issue, you could get a glass of milk in ten different places while you wait for other (more attentive) members of your family. Nowadays there is hardly a place to park your car. Parents don't all…

There's now an intolerance to letting kids play freely. And if you do let your kids play freely, and something happens - they get hurt, they break something, they're being loud, there's the attitude from others of "why aren't you watching your f*ing kid?".

>> There's now an intolerance to letting kids play freely.

Worth noting that streets are a lot more dangerous now due to the large number of huge trucks that everyone drives. If your kid gets hit by one of them while playing, chances are they won't survive. Hell, the driver may not even notice.

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Post by hollerith »

Balgair wrote: post #223
dukeyukey wrote: post #117

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Speaking as a non-American who visited for the first time last year: > But, it's considered taboo to express a love of the USA American flags _everywhere_' Like seriously, I visited both liberal areas (Seattle) and conservative areas (Spokane's surrounds) and y'all patriotic as _fuck_. > Wars used to be a way to unify a country... Also because the US is just not threatened by anyone. I'd hope that going back to being…

> I'd hope that going back to being the Arsenal of Democracy for Ukraine (and maybe Taiwan or South Korea if things go bad) would've tied the US together, but man I was wrong there. I mean, it's not like we need to be rolling out a B-29 every minute or an aircraft carrier a week to defeat Russia there. Just cleaning out some of the stock from the 80's held them off for months. Logistically, the war in Ukraine just is…

How do you think Russia is going to retaliate? Maybe they will help NK and Iran build ICBMs that can accurately hit US city centers. They'd probably do it secretly, so if some US cities ever get nuked by NK or Iran, there won't be a strong case for our going to war against Russia in response (unless the secret leaked).

ADDED. The secret is unlikely to leak if the Russians are careful: they could for example anonymously send technical information on ICBM design to Iranian and NK missile scientists. The recipients might suspect that Russia is the source of the information, and might share their suspicions with others, but second-hand reports of mere suspicions probably won't be considered sufficient justification for our going to war with Russia.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #341
mschuster91 wrote: post #280

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> and voilá, no more free parking anywhere. Well... yes, that is precisely what's needed to wean America off its unhealthy dependence on cars. Come over here to Europe, visit our cities where you can actually walk on a sidewalk, where you can live without a car just fine because everything you need can be reached safely on foot, by bike or with public transport.

> Well... yes, that is precisely what's needed to wean America off its unhealthy dependence on cars. HIGHLY disagree. If you want people off cars, you need to give them an alternative. Granted, I love cars. I would have cars whether I needed one or not, but I know I'm absolutely 100% in the minority on that issue, and like, when I say I would have cars either way, I mean fun cars. I wouldn't keep and maintain vehicle…

> If you want people off cars, you need to give them an alternative

Never going to happen, outside of few dense city centers. Once an area is platted for detached single family homes and big box stores on stroads, the physical layout is incompatible with non car life, and hence you have to literally destroy everything and start over with narrow streets and smaller plots of land.

The expense of this is not going to win you any votes, especially as results will not be evident for at least 20 years while infrastructure is completely rebuilt and legal disputes are hashed out, hence it will not happen until nature forces it.

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Post by svieira »

krapp wrote: post #360
dbrueck wrote: post #352

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This is stating as fact several things that have not and cannot be proven by tools such as the scientific method. Seems ironic, given the subject matter. :)

The list of claims made by religion which have been disproved by science is innumerable, and the list of claims made by science which have been disproved by religion does not exist. But sure, let's pretend religion and science are equally valid....

I invite you to consider The Shroud of Turin (https://www.shroud.com/78exam.htm) and the documented miracles at Lourdes (https://www.lourdes-france.org/en/the-miracles-of-lourdes/).

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Post by lotsofpulp »

nradov wrote: post #247
BobaFloutist wrote: post #181

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Agree to disagree. It's pretty hard, and often unrewarding, to bridge such fundamental divides in values.

It's not hard, it just requires compartmentalization. This is a skill that can be learned like any other, and brings rewards in many aspects of life. Give it a try. And if you tune out the media and talk to ordinary Republicans and Democrats you'll usually find that there are few fundamental divides and that they mostly agree on the main points of political and economic philosophy. It's like Catholics and Protestants…

From whose perspective is restricting women’s access to healthcare trivial?

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Post by g9yuayon »

When I grew up in China, students in a school were divided into fixed classes. Those classes formed great communities, as we spent hours every day for at least three years and some for 6 years. Each class had a head teacher, who fostered the sense of community too. No one would mock people for geeking out. No one would mock people for not being good at sports. No one would mock those who struggled at academics. At least not openly. We loved each other and still do. Our bond was so strong that we had regular reunions every few years, and most of my classmates would make it. We had multiple couples who were high-school sweat hearts, even though dating in high school was a taboo in China then. The concepts like nerds, like queen bees, like sports jockeys, like that those who can get drugs and drinks are popular... They were all new and parts of the culture shock to me when I moved to the US.

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Post by ZoomerCretin »

autoexecbat wrote: post #253
lawlessone wrote: post #241

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I'm surprised dating sites work well enough that 50% of customers meet via it. They've no incentive to help you leave.

They probably have some internal churn targets to hit, else people will start to figure out that the app isn't worth their time and try a different one

Good thing Match is a monopoly that owns all of the giant dating apps except for Bumble!

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Post by djom »

diputsmonro wrote: post #231
djom wrote: post #208

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I don't want to get into a giant political debate here, but I would urge you to follow the spirit of this post and actually talk to some trans people, in person, to get their perspective before voting for people who demonize them and take their rights away. All of those are rooted in transphobia. The entire point of those bathroom bills to "protect women" is built upon the foundational idea that trans people are dang…

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