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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Most people are against border hooping illegal immigrant not legal immigrants. There’s a huge difference. For some reason the internet puts them in the same camp.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

European nations suggest that some immigrant groups aren't able to integrate with the host society after multiple generations You as an American can move to France, and you'll never be considered French. Doesn't matter if you speak french every day for the rest of your life with the most perfect French accent the world has ever heard. And if you and your American wife have kids in France after living in France for 20…

French society values immigrants who integrate far more over those who do not.

Macron's hand-wringing and the 2021 Separatism law are two concrete examples.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

The first mistake when approaching immigration is to take all the different types of immigration and even non-immigration and lower the level of detail to simply "immigration". This means:

    1. refugees
    2. legal immigrants              
    3. non-immigrants               magic beam of      
      3.1. temporary workers     ──infinite──>     "iMMiGraNTs"
      3.2. tourists                          irrationality      and "mIGrAntS"
    4. students
    5. illegal immigrants
    6. stateless
    7. prisoners of war
    8. etc
If you want to fix a problem you need to divide it into subproblems and solve each problem, not mix everything together and make a larger problem harder to solve.

Mixing everything together is obfuscating the problem which is the modus operandi of those who want to prevent the solution of the problem as they have an incentive to keep the problem around.

Politicians like keeping immigration a problem because it gives them a way to divide people into groups and rewarding those groups depending on their political needs, making you easier to rule. Which is what they do for everything else. In their case, you are the problem to solve, not the actual problem they so passionately talk about. And when you get angry you play right into their villain claws.

The brain gain/drain dynamics between countries is real. Brain gain is what you definitely want as a country.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> The US also fares poorly if you don't count the wealthiest 15% of the population. This is false. The US has the third highest median income of any country in the world, after Luxembourg and the United Arab Emirates (which clearly does not count the income of their foreign slaves). PPP adjusted, btw. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in...

Hmm, I'm seeing a different story in the World Bank's data[1] for GPD per capita, PPP adjusted. It shows the US in 12th place. Regardless, I'm happy to cede this point as it's irrelevant to the topic I was discussing: Cuba isn't that poor compared to its peers. [1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_...

GDP/Capita isn't median income (it should roughly correspond to mean income); many of the higher GDP/capita are also higher inequality and so lower median is quite possible.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Your argument seems to be that a larger population leads to lower wages, which seems very reductive. Please elaborate

> Your argument seems to be that a larger population leads to lower wages

It's not just because of a larger population, it's also because illegal immigrants are often desperate, often willing to accept a much lower standard of living than locals, and therefore often willing to work for very low wages (sometimes illegally low)

Thus creating an under-class of workers who keep wages from ever going up to where they should be

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…

> Cuba would be a great travel destination. It's been a while since I visited places outside the US, but one of the shocking things was travel ads for Cuba everywhere. From what I can tell, US-Cuban relations seem to be at the whim of the US President. Most of the US population doesn't care; most of the rest of the world has fine relations with Cuba, but isn't going to pressure the US. Nobody is sending missiles to C…

> most of the rest of the world has fine relations with Cuba

Most of the rest of the world didn't get Soviet nuclear missiles pointed at them by Cuba.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Still no. Just a visit, doesn't look like Cuba has any wish to become Russia's military fortress. From Russia side all decisions are made by a single person who is not thinking big. Cuba would be quite expensive. Ukraine is more then enough for Putin, unlikely he wants a new 'adventure'.

> Ukraine is more then enough for Putin What about propaganda where he will capture the whole EU after Ukraine?

> propaganda

You mean his own words? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-warns-enemy-...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Brain drain to the US helps the US, yes. The key word there is the brain. What doesn't help is taking in unskilled and manual laborers; that only creates downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing prices and other scarce resources, even before we get to any correlation with crime.

Countries with a highly successful immigration system, notably Canada, do it by being highly merit-based, for education and professional skills. The US hasn't put together any significant plan for that. Trump briefly tried proposing merit-based immigration in his first term, but it was quickly shot down with all the usual accusations of discrimination and so on. The US kinda unofficially does it via H1-B and O-1 visas, though that's only for employment and mostly not for permanent residence.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

European nations suggest that some immigrant groups aren't able to integrate with the host society after multiple generations You as an American can move to France, and you'll never be considered French. Doesn't matter if you speak french every day for the rest of your life with the most perfect French accent the world has ever heard. And if you and your American wife have kids in France after living in France for 20…

it would be polite to act magnanimously in stating that America is not the only country with this behaviour, really I'm glad to see that the American god complex affects those across all walks of life
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