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Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by blackoil »

liendolucas wrote: post #110

What I will never understand is why this is needed at all. The books that I do find interesting I buy them. Sure, you can bypass paper by having ebooks. But is it really a replacement for a printed book? There is nothing like a printed book. No power needed, nor devices needed, you can go back to any page, any chapter instantly and if you have stomach even write on them. On the other side having the possibility to ju…

This is very lazy argument. You may love paper book or hardbound or whatever, that is orthogonal to the discussion about copyright and lending.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by berniedurfee »

ryandrake wrote: post #80
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

I believe in hundreds, maybe thousands of years, after humanity has finally evolved past our current monkey mentality, future historians will look back at this time period in awe: "They had the technology to make the sum of all human knowledge available to everyone... And they blew it! Further, they had the means to feed everyone, clothe everyone, house everyone, but they just walked away in the other direction, pure…

We’re in the middle of “The Dark Ages II” and we don’t even know it.

I’ve been thinking for a while about how historians will view our chunk of history and it ain’t too good.

There will be some bright spots, but for the most part humans have been behaving pretty terribly, at scale, since harnessing the power of electricity.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by deknos »

Jensson wrote: post #420
ryandrake wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe in hundreds, maybe thousands of years, after humanity has finally evolved past our current monkey mentality, future historians will look back at this time period in awe: "They had the technology to make the sum of all human knowledge available to everyone... And they blew it! Further, they had the means to feed everyone, clothe everyone, house everyone, but they just walked away in the other direction, pure…

> If Star Trek Replicators were invented today, we're so stupid we'd outlaw them. History shows the labor unions and leftists would also be against replicators. We see that today with how people are very against AI advancements that would put artists out of jobs, they would rather halt progress than lose their jobs. Of course corporations that stand to lose out are also against it, but don't kid yourself labor moveme…

> History shows the labor unions and leftists would also be against replicators.

Only because the rich would exploit the replicators and would leave everyone else in the dust starving.

Nobody would have a problem with it, if you could survive on them.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by Anamon »

prmoustache wrote: post #401
andybak wrote: post #33

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I've no idea what you're trying to say.

Astalavista was the main warez search engine in the pre-google era and it was a play of words with altavista which was the most popular search engine at the time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astalavista.box.sk

It wasn't a play on AltaVista -- Astalavista was actually older than AltaVista! It says so in the Wikipedia article you link to. I also only learned this mindblowing fact a few weeks ago.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by jzb »

rwasco wrote: post #162
badlibrarian wrote: post #139

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You really don't need to be a lawyer to understand the extent to which Internet Archive really screwed up here. For starters they lost on Summary Judgment, which means they couldn't come up with a single issue of fact that the judge thought deserved a trial. Read the Order, the Judge obviously has it straight. Then check archive.org's Form 990s and see how little money they run on, how much they pissed away on legal…

I disagree. Brewster demonstrated real courage. The world locked down u necessarily precisely because the population has not been getting smarter the past 50 years because copyright has poisoned our information wells. This is a fight worth having. It's time to abolish copyright.

It may be a fight worth having, but that wasn’t the way to fight it. There was zero chance this was going to end with a favorable court decision. It only carried risk for the organization - no upside at all.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by throwAGIway »

lloeki wrote: post #409
throwAGIway wrote: post #380

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If we exchange ownership of ideas, we end up with one idea each. That's different from providing usage rights to our ideas to each other.

> If we exchange ownership of ideas, we end up with one idea each How would that work? Given that one exposed to an idea, a person cannot exactly erase it from their mind... I mean if I have an idea and I give it to you the idea itself is still in my mind . And in order to give it to you I have to communicate it to you, so now it is in your mind too. So innately, while physical objects are physically moved , ideas ar…

If I sell you copyright of my code, I might still have it on my computer but I lost any rights to use it. This is a standard business arrangement that anyone on this site knows and uses. I don't think it's as complicated as you make it sound.

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TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

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