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Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by makeitdouble »

MP_1729 wrote: post #136

Satya Nadella's Microsoft is such a weird company. It's like there's one side of it that is running with Zuckerberg's "move fast and break things" and the other side is saying "wait, we're the most important software company in the world! Things can't break!"

One side is targeting corporate business, the other is for end-consumer.

The eye opener for me is the Surface Pro 10 only existing for businesses. They cared to design and produce the whole device, but not ship it to regular customers. That whole market is forced to go to the more experimental copilot line instead (which could arguably be great, but you don't get to choose in the first place)

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by Kwpolska »

jjcm wrote: post #187

Recall suffered from a classic Microsoft mistake they've made time and again, but never learned from - how to correctly market and package your feature. Microsoft always tends to "go big" with their integrations, often to their detriment, in order to increase adoption of new features. One notable time was with Windows 8. They really, REALLY wanted people to try out the new Metro UI, so they deeply integrated it into…

With Windows 8, Microsoft thought that tablets and touchscreens were the future, and Metro was designed for those. Tablets being the future of computing meant they made the new experience the default. Turns out keyboards and mice are still vastly more popular a decade later.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by UberFly »

rchaud wrote: post #281
UberFly wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm neither of those things and Windows 10 Enterprise is working fine for me. Many of us (for now) are still able to corral our OS.

What about when Win10 falls out of support in Oct 2025?

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is supported until 2030.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by JW_00000 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #244
JW_00000 wrote: post #221

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If that's the case, why don't they sell Teams activity data to companies? I mean, after you're idle for 5 minutes, Teams detects this and changes your status to "idle". Following your reasoning, they should be selling this data already.

You mean Viva Insights? (formerly Workplace Analytics) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-viva/insights

Does this allow seeing how long an an employee was idle, or just whether they were in meetings?

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by JW_00000 »

pydry wrote: post #246
JW_00000 wrote: post #221

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If that's the case, why don't they sell Teams activity data to companies? I mean, after you're idle for 5 minutes, Teams detects this and changes your status to "idle". Following your reasoning, they should be selling this data already.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-analy...

As far as I can tell, this does not allow the employer to see whether employees were idle or not. It does allow tracking of how much time they spent in meetings and how many chat messages they sent.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by irusensei »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #119
nimbius wrote: post #63

In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve.

> Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve. Yeah, enjoy your just desserts of games that work, HDR that works, variable refresh rates that work, sleep and wake that works, the ability to run the software you need to use, one of the best IDEs available, fantastic backwards compatibility, etc

> sleep and wake that works

That’s not Windows.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by zer0zzz »

irusensei wrote: post #426
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve. Yeah, enjoy your just desserts of games that work, HDR that works, variable refresh rates that work, sleep and wake that works, the ability to run the software you need to use, one of the best IDEs available, fantastic backwards compatibility, etc

> sleep and wake that works That’s not Windows.

It’s not Linux either.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by skywhopper »

simonw wrote: post #90
segasaturn wrote: post #65

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My takeaway is that Microsoft has been trying to boil the frog, but slipped and turned the temperature up too quickly. They're retreating for now, but make no mistake that Recall will slowly trickle back into Windows under another name. Every major power broker wants something like Recall to become the norm - bosses to spy on their employees, governments to spy on their citizens/enemies, and tech CEO's to collect tra…

This is a very cynical take. I've not seen anything to make me think this feature is intended for surveillance as opposed to personal utility. The personal utility benefits are very clear to me - the problem is the ease with which malicious attackers might steal the data (if they can breach the system).

Microsoft already builds countless APIs and services into Windows that are there mostly to enable spying by corporate owners. If you don’t think governments of all sorts are asking for This sort of functionality to be baked into all operating systems, you are being naive, especially on the face of recent reports of Microsoft’s internal willingness to retain a major security hole in ADFS rather than risk a lucrative US government contract.

It’s true they also have folks internally pushing for this as a source of training data for MS AI models as well. There are countless “benefits” for Microsoft that have nothing to do with the personal utility.

The personal utility angle is just the marketing hook, which they thankfully misjudged. How else, though, could they justify recording the screen all the time?

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by skywhopper »

kilolima wrote: post #263
generic92034 wrote: post #167

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Or you are living in a country where worker rights prevent causeless mass surveillance of employees.

Workplace surveillance of employees became widespread in part because of sexual harassment laws, employers suddenly had to protect themselves from litigation. See: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/r/ro...

This is a really pernicious lie. If you believe this sort of thing, explain why you think sexual harassment laws are unfair, and why corporations were so trusting of their employees before that.

Hint: They weren’t trusting. Corporate surveillance follows technology. The bosses are obsessed with watching their workers every second. This is nothing new. What’s new is that we now do most of our work on networked computers, cameras are vanishingly cheap, and data storage is abundant.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by mihaaly »

Delay?!

Will recording and storing all your activity ever be secure? Suddenly in the future it will flip and become secure or what do they expect from the delay?

Ah, yes, I see, they want to delay until people are not concerned anymore. Cooking them slowly in increasingly worse privacy violations than throwing them into a hot one at once. Works with frogs. And users of modern gadgets.

Instead of waiting they'd better making it a product that those have no concern can download now, and perhaps even paid for in exchange for the mass of data they provide. It could even be a separate operating system lets say Windows 1984 that users are paid for using it. With webcam on all the time and no stars in password fields. Alternatively it could be called Windwos Beijing and have mass orders from the folks there.

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