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Re: Meta Horizon OS

#421

I don't care what these people do, I'll never use one of their products unless it is to literally save someone's life.

what a sad hill to die on

I don't think it's a particularly sad hill to die on – Meta has proven themselves to be exploitative, invasive, and downright malicious time and time again.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

#423

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> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

The low end of the market is taken - but (from an outsider perspective) the high end appears free. The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Let's say that, tomorrow, Gucci or Dolce and Gabanna (or however you spell that) want to make a VR headset (why? who knows?). They don't have the tech acumen to compete with Facebook on expe…

Reminds me of the Vertu cell phone, which the iPhone basically killed.

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#424

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I understand, but it seems trivial to add HDMI input here. Technically you can just remote desktop into a computer from your VR headset, but that won't work in every scenario.

For Quest 3 specifically, "remote desktop into a computer" actually works surprisingly well if you 1) avoid the stock Meta software and use Steam Link instead, and 2) use wired connection to maximize bandwidth and minimize latency. The second part needs some explaining. One undocumented feature of Quest 3 is that it supports (some) USB-C Ethernet adapters. There isn't really any UI for it that I know of; things just…

Imo a good WAP connected directly to your computer works just as well as with a high end cable. I have both and didn't notice a quality difference either way.

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#425

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I don't know what exactly is the right analogy for this, but two other points of context which make me discredit this line of thinking. 1. Feature/smart 'Phones' were around before the iPhone *and* were already pretty much ubiquitous. VR headsets don't do much but sit on shelfs (either in people's houses or in distribution centres not being sold). 2. VR has arguably existed in some ways before the Quest, Nintendo Vir…

> VR headsets don't do much but sit on shelfs (sic) Quest has 6+ million monthly active users. Steam 2-3 million. Sony doesn't publish numbers but a good guess is 3-4 million active players. If you allow for some overlap, that's roughly ten million monthly users, and in sales VR is already more successful than a lot of computer platforms of the past.

> Sony doesn't publish numbers but a good guess is 3-4 million active players.

I find it really hard to believe that 3 million people put on PSVR2 every month. That thing gets basically no content.

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From personal experience as far back as the 80's (and from my understanding going back before that as well), OS has never meant kernel. An Operating System is the collection of software that allows you to operate a computer, so that means kernel, program loader, simple text editor, simple disk management, etc. As computer users became more savvy, and hardware became more powerful, more and more functionality was incl…

> From personal experience as far back as the 80's (and from my understanding going back before that as well), OS has never meant kernel. I definitely heard it used to literally mean only the kernel. Circa 20 years ago and earlier. For example, if we look at "Operating system" on Wikipedia from 2006: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operating_system&... > Most current usage of the term "operating system"…

> I definitely heard it used to literally mean only the kernel. Circa 20 years ago and earlier.

You may have, but it was a nonstandard usage. Even your 2004 Wikipedia article distinguishes between OS and kernel. Userland is certainly part of it.

AmigaDOS, 1991, manual p22: "Each AmigaDOS process represents a particular process of the operating system— for example, the filing system [...] AmigaDOS provides a process that you can use, called a Command Line Interface or Shell. (https://archive.org/details/1991-baker-jesup-et-al-the-amiga...)

MS-DOS 6.22 (1994) concise user's guide consistently refers to the entire thing including command.com as the operating system (the kernel here is named msdos.sys.) (https://ia801204.us.archive.org/33/items/msdos_manual_622/ms...)

Hell, the whole Linux vs GNU/Linux thing, which has been around since 1992 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy), was explicitly about the fact that "Linux" is just the name of the kernel.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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It reads more like they're smartly stepping away from the hardware game they're not really optimized for and focusing on the software and connectivity features that they are. I'm not keen on more headsets having a Meta data vacuum built-in, but this isn't the opposite of putting the metaverse stuff to pasture. They're just shifting from an Apple strategy of full-control vertical integration to a Android/Windows strat…

> It reads more like they're smartly stepping away from the hardware game they're not really optimized for and focusing on the software and connectivity features that they are. Which would be weird cause the hardware (Quest 3/Quest Pro) is top notch, while Metas software for it is garbage. Everything good is provided by 3rd party companies.

"Garbage" is harsh. It's flawed but they are streets ahead of Pico or Vive.

Ironically Google Daydream was also very polished and now Google is starting again but with a gigantic dent in their credibility.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

#429
This will (thankfully) fail because meta will not be able to harness the chinese industrial firehose because 1. US protectionism 2. chinese people are not stupid, they won't let a company whose business model revolves around selling attention, acquire a monoply on attention of human beings

Re: Meta Horizon OS

#430

> And we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms. It sounds like they are specifically not open to third party app stores selling native AR/VR ("3D") apps. I can see why Google might not want to participate if they're not allowed to compete. This feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when co…

I think you're overindexing on "2D." The Play store is full of flat apps, designed for phones and tablets. There are a gajillion of them, and FB wants them in their headsets. It's not about not wanting competition - it's about wanting people to have more than 100 apps available when they use a Meta headset.

That's what it's about for Meta, sure. But for Google it would be about selling apps on a headset, and being prohibited from selling the native type of app for the platform would be pretty bad!

Meta wants to have their cake and eat it too. If it's their intention to allow third party stores to sell native Quest AR/VR apps on the headset in competition with their own store, they should state that explicitly because what's written here pretty carefully doesn't imply that. I don't think we can just assume what isn't stated here.

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