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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by grungydan »

1auralynn wrote: post #298
MichaelZuo wrote: post #265

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Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

The Long Dark.

I await more of the story campaign with bated breath. I'm adoring it, though the last episode felt a tad rushed, or flat maybe. To me, at least.

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Post by jt2190 »

zeruch wrote: post #341
indigochill wrote: post #321

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> You no longer have to hire a copywriter, as many SEO spammers used to do. I used to do SEO copywriting in high school and yeah, ChatGPT's output is pretty much at the level of what I was producing (primarily, use certain keywords, secondarily, write a surface-level informative article tangential to what you want to sell to the customer). > At some point it may become impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.…

I think you are generally correct in where things will likely go (sometimes correct goop) but the problem I think will be far more existential; when people start to feel like they are in a perpetual uncanny valley of noise, what DO they actually do next? I don't think we have even the remotest grasp of what that might look like and how it will impact us.

I think we have plenty of examples of published “noise”, probably just not on the same scale. (“Noise” is subjective of course: I don’t watch reality television but others do, for example.) For the most part, I just ignore “noise”, so I suspect that the entire World Wide Web will eventually be considered “noise” by many. Instead it seems like it will be necessary to deploy AI to retrieve information as it will be necessary to programmatically evaluate the received content to filter out anything that you’ve trained it to consider “noise”.

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Post by latexr »

kbrkbr wrote: post #366
zeruch wrote: post #341

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I think you are generally correct in where things will likely go (sometimes correct goop) but the problem I think will be far more existential; when people start to feel like they are in a perpetual uncanny valley of noise, what DO they actually do next? I don't think we have even the remotest grasp of what that might look like and how it will impact us.

That is an interesting thought. Maybe the problem is not the ai generated useless noise, but that it is so easy and cheap to publish it. One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books. Handchiseled stone tablets. Offering information costs something.

> One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books.

The grifters are all over that already. No AI necessary to generate and publish drivel.

See “Contrepreneurs: The Mikkelsen Twins”¹ by Dan Olson² for an informative and entertaining documentary on the matter.

¹ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYciU1uiUw

² A.k.a Folding Ideas. A.k.a. the creator of “Line Goes Up – The Problem With NFTs”.

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Post by Swizec »

kbrkbr wrote: post #366
zeruch wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are generally correct in where things will likely go (sometimes correct goop) but the problem I think will be far more existential; when people start to feel like they are in a perpetual uncanny valley of noise, what DO they actually do next? I don't think we have even the remotest grasp of what that might look like and how it will impact us.

That is an interesting thought. Maybe the problem is not the ai generated useless noise, but that it is so easy and cheap to publish it. One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books. Handchiseled stone tablets. Offering information costs something.

> One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books

Honestly I’ve switched to books and papers a few years ago and it has been fantastic. 2 hours of reading a half decent book or paper outweighs a week of reading the best blogposts, twitter threads, or YouTube videos.

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Post by Underphil »

l33t7332273 wrote: post #396
vladsolokha wrote: post #331

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> Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Timee to stert misspelling and using poorr grammar again. This way know we LLM didn't write it. Unlearn we what learned!

If you prompt LLMs to use poor spelling and grammar, they will.

But can they do it convincingly?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by rchaud »

I've been saving longreads and news articles to PDF for a couple of years now, for pretty much this exact reason. Google's search results are horrifically bad now. Instead of ranking original articles at the top, they will rank 10 blogspam sites that 'summarize' the article, often without attribution to the original link.

With AI, the cost of blogspam becomes so low, and 'hallucinations' driving trust trust even lower, that it makes sense to slowly withdraw from the clearweb entirely and stick to a list of official sources and 5 or so trusted 3d party sources.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by dartos »

izzydata wrote: post #121
dartos wrote: post #75

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That sounds awful.

Interacting with people face to face isn't so bad. On average I find it a lot more meaningful than anything that occurs online.

I have the opposite experience.

Talking with people in real life is stressful (for someone like me with social anxiety.)

Rarely do I walk away from an encounter with a random person in “meat space” feeling any better than I did when I walked up to them. And even when I do, I replay the interaction over and over again until I’m sure I didn’t embarrass myself.

Plus, where I live, there is no tech community. It’s just not popular here, but it’s what I’m interested in. (I even tried starting a meet up, but got 0 turnout, then the local startup accelerator closed in 2020)

I only get to talk shop online.

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Post by lolsal »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #147

The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. You can't take anything at face value. It might be generated, forged, et. When anyone can publish anything and when anyone is outnumbered by AIs publishing even more things, the only way to filter that is by relying on reputation and authenticity so you can know who published what and what else they are saying. Web of trust has of course been tr…

Sincerely asking - how does this solve the problem? I could generate a bunch of dog-shit and then sign it and publish it. Even with user attestation services provided by Apple, Google, et. al - couldn't I even automate generating a bunch of AI junk and signing it?

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Post by throwaway29812 »

jprete wrote: post #143
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #133

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A work-friend and I were musing in our chat yesterday about a boilerplate support email from Microsoft he received after he filed a ticket, that was simply chock full of spelling and grammar errors, alongside numerous typos (newlines where inappropriate, spaces before punctuation, that sort of thing) and as a joke he fired up his AI (honestly I have no idea what he uses, he gets it from a work account as part of some…

Grammar, spelling, and punctuation have never been _proof_ of good communication, they were just _correlated_ with it. Both emails are equally bad from a communication purist viewpoint, it's just that one has the traditional markers of effort and the other does not. I personally have wondered if I should start systematically favoring bad grammar/punctuation/spelling both in the posts I treat as high quality, and in m…

> I personally have wondered if I should start systematically favoring bad grammar/punctuation/spelling both in the posts I treat as high quality

I feel like founders embrace this, slack messages misspelled etc. but communication that is straight to the point

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