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Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by mannykannot »

mx_03 wrote: post #372

Once it reaches its maximum velocity the altitude doesnt really matter. However I dont know how to calculate that maximum velocity and the minimum required altitute. From the very short snippet I can read (paywall) I dont know if the phone landed in concrete or not.

After its initial acceleration, the phone probably decelerated as its altitude decreased. The air density at 5 Km is about 0.6 of that at sea level. As drag is proportional to the air density and the square of the velocity, I think that implies the phone would reach the ground at a speed ~3/4 of its peak velocity (putting aside the admittedly significant issue of its orientation and rotation throughout the fall.)

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Post by codr7 »

pixl97 wrote: post #390
codr7 wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was also a choice; life is full of risks, having stuff (or even worse, other people) decide for me which I should prioritize drives me bonkers. The same person who's super disciplined about seat belts likely takes other risks that another person would deem at least as serious. Having an optional reminder feature is great; forcing it, not so much.

We already legally force it in almost every state on public roads because it's not about you, it's about everybody else minding their own business getting killed by your choices. Doesn't take much FOD on the highway for your unbuckled body to slam into something and now you have a driverless vehicle. Also every else in your car should be bucked too so you're not bumping noggins.

I find this line of reasoning extremely far fetched.

Is this how far you're willing to go to boss other people around to fit your preferences?

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Post by codr7 »

Snow_Falls wrote: post #365
codr7 wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was also a choice; life is full of risks, having stuff (or even worse, other people) decide for me which I should prioritize drives me bonkers. The same person who's super disciplined about seat belts likely takes other risks that another person would deem at least as serious. Having an optional reminder feature is great; forcing it, not so much.

Unfortunately, not wearing a seat belt isn't a risk borne just by the one in the seat. There have been cases of people flying out of their window and battering someone with their body due to not wearing a seat belt. Of course, everything carries a risk of harm to someone else, its a matter of where to draw the line.

Yeah, but these are people in the same car who are very likely in agreement about whatever risks.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by Shank »

mcfedr wrote: post #249
Shank wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disable auto-lock. The primary reason for this is that I’m extremely intentional about using my phone. If I have some content open, I don’t want the screen turning off. This is an atypical choice, but I always lock when I’m done and don’t encounter any issues from this choice.

This seems crazy, from a security point of view, even just basic level, like my kids walking off with it

Hmm, I live alone and I don’t leave my phone unattended. I think it’s important to consider your risk profile before changing any security settings. With kids, I would probably adjust my threat model to prevent accidental changes to things, etc.

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Post by Jiro »

The amount of force created when something hits the ground at terminal velocity depends on its mass, which varies with the cube of its size (with additional effects because it's not a cube or sphere). The amount of cross-sectional area over which this force is exerted varies with the square of its size. So when a small object hits the ground, that's a lot less force per cross sectional area than when a large object hits the ground. You'd expect the iPhone to take proportionately less damage than a person even not considering that it also has a smaller terminal velocity.

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Post by Shank »

vel0city wrote: post #410
Daneel_ wrote: post #222

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Precisely. I’ll choose when to lock the screen - what if I’m using it to read a recipe, or looking up documentation, or I have a map on screen? Etc etc.

I've had phones for close to a decade now (Moto X 2014) that can detect when I'm looking at the device and extend the timeout. So if I glance at the device every few minutes checking on the recipe or a map or whatever it'll keep the screen on indefinitely.

iOS has “Attention Aware” features but these features don’t account for atypical use cases like when I’m running some persistent app that needs foreground use (like a firmware update on an IoT device) that I can’t be bothered to stare at.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by Shank »

dboreham wrote: post #340
Shank wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disable auto-lock. The primary reason for this is that I’m extremely intentional about using my phone. If I have some content open, I don’t want the screen turning off. This is an atypical choice, but I always lock when I’m done and don’t encounter any issues from this choice.

Quick data point that Samsung Android phones (at least the ones I've used for the last many years) unlock with fingerprint on the side which is as close to a zero-effort unlock as you can get.

I have Face ID enabled etc, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s annoying. If I’m alone at home with the door locked, there is an infinitesimally small chance of any security issue that would render my device compromised. So realistically, I’m accounting for my own sanity + convenience here.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

earthling8118 wrote: post #397
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #385

Crazy considering multiple iPhones (latest being an iPhone 11) haven't survived a few feet fall for me (no case...I'm extremely particular about using a case now).

I've never owned an iPhone (never will either) but I'm in the opposite boat these days. Cases degrade my phone experience and result in more waste to throw away. These phones are seemingly built like tanks now. I'd be hard pressed to break the screen on this one. It's survived falls on concrete no problem. Generally I don't let it fall because it's too expensive to aimlessly drop.

iPhones they brilliantly decided to make a rounded glass edge the first contact point for a lot of falls. All it takes is a few feet.

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

0xEF wrote: post #212
imgabe wrote: post #163

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It's crazy to me that the phone hasn't locked automatically. Do people really walk around with their phones set to never lock and turn the screen off? Mine times out after 5 minutes.

As a rule, if the security feature creates even the slightest bit of inconvenience when using the device, you can bet your bippy that about half the user population will turn said feature off.

I don't keep anything useful on my phone, there's no reason for me to lock it and every reason not to.

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Post by FuturisticGoo »

Shank wrote: post #210
imgabe wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy to me that the phone hasn't locked automatically. Do people really walk around with their phones set to never lock and turn the screen off? Mine times out after 5 minutes.

I disable auto-lock. The primary reason for this is that I’m extremely intentional about using my phone. If I have some content open, I don’t want the screen turning off. This is an atypical choice, but I always lock when I’m done and don’t encounter any issues from this choice.

Lineage OS has this cool feature called "Caffeine" which is a quick settings button. When tapped, it temporarily increases the lock screen timeout. Pressing it again increases it more. Long pressing it will make it infinite. It will reset once the user manually locks. I find it quite useful in cases like reading
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