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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by angarg12 »

underdeserver wrote: post #132
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

Same here, have a Model 3 for 1.5 years and so far my best car ever. Parts and material aren't top notch but I feel I get my money's worth.

Unless the car becomes a pile of junk under me I don't see all the hate. As with any popular product, you'll find people with several sigmas of bad experience.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by harimau777 »

Closi wrote: post #404
nradov wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other manufacturers like Toyota would actually shut the production line down to fix such problems instead of shipping defective products.

I guarantee they wouldn’t shut down the line while they wait for a fix for within-tolerance panel gap improvements - they would work on designing a fix that would be implementable on the line while continuing manufacture. Designing, Testing and Commissioning an improvement will often take many months. The zero defect thing is fixing issues early rather than fixing them at the end - not shutting down the whole line if…

As I understand it, the parent post is talking about defects that cause actual issues. If that's the case, then it sounds to me like the gaps aren't within tolerance.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by greenyoda »

dataking wrote: post #213
_Algernon_ wrote: post #195

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Norway has been has been massively subsidising EVs for a decade. While Tesla probably played a role in EV adoption, I think you are overstating it by a lot. If the main factor wasn't economic we would see these same stats in every other country where a Tesla can be bought.

Norway is one of the countries with the highest GDP per capita. I think this puts the norwegian consumer in a better position to by an EV even if it costs more than a comparable ICE vehicle. Not sure that is true all over the world.

Ironically, a big chunk of Norway's wealth has come from being one of the world's largest oil producers (currently about 1.7M barrels per day).[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by ajhurliman »

haeffin wrote: post #138
arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

Why do you think there's a longer interval between inspections for Teslas? The interval for Hauptuntersuchung in Germany (which this article is about) is 2 years (except for the first one which happens after 3 years), regardless of car brand. And a windshield wiper needing replacement wouldn't count as a "significant fault" that they force you to come back for before getting certified.

I think it specifies in the article that the interval is longer because Teslas don’t need oil

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Post by amazingman »

gonzo41 wrote: post #374
mattmaroon wrote: post #286

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I guess because most of their competitors are 100 yrs old? Making cars is really, really hard. Tesla’s first mass produced car was only ten years ago, and their top two models 6 and 3 years ago. The average age of their entire fleet is in the low single digits. In the car world that’s just getting started.

Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

>In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems.

I'm no "car engineer", but I doubt most of Tesla's production issues are "simple".

>Change the genre of product to Tech / software engineering. If Telsa was a software company shipping a crap product that broke all the time and then suddenly you found out that they didn't do XYZ of industry standard you'd hold them to account for not taking standard approaches to standard problems.

Software is the last comparison I would have made. First of all Tesla is a software company. Secondly, the software industry is notorious for terrible products gaining massive market share. cough Google Docs/Sheets/Slides.

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Post by ryanklee »

flutas wrote: post #253
seanieb wrote: post #184

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I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

> It took several service appointments and months to convince them otherwise, requiring me to mount a GoPro in my car and dangerously recreate the issue, which randomly occurred after about 45 minutes of cruise control driving. Then post the video and publicly call them out? > It wasn't until I contacted their PR department and threatened to involve the press that they took the matter seriously. This is where ya lose…

> Then post the video and publicly call them out?

You say this as if it is something somebody should be reasonably expected to do, rather than this is something no one should reasonably have to deal with.

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Post by zdragnar »

nradov wrote: post #400
Closi wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

Other manufacturers like Toyota would actually shut the production line down to fix such problems instead of shipping defective products.

As long as it isn't the Daihatsu unit, apparently:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/20/toyotas-daihatsu-to-halt-veh...

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Post by arpinum »

hef19898 wrote: post #348
arpinum wrote: post #320

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Because faults can include items such as the first aid kit expired, tyre inflator expired, headlights out of alignment, a crack in the windshield wiper, worn tyres, worn brakes, or low washer fluid. These are not initial build quality issues.

All that is a defect, not all of which fail the inspection. Tesla Model 3s fail, among other things, tires, suspension and brakes, aka the stuff that holds a car on the road.

All of these fail an inspection. If you are at a mechanic they may fix these issues during a pre-inspection if they have parts available.

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Post by coryrc »

mantas wrote: post #180
cyberax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brakes are probably going to last for at least 100k miles easily. Mine are still fine after 150k miles.

Pads and rotors - yes. Fluid - probably not. Usually changing fluid every 2 years is a good idea. Both to keep brakes performance and prevent rusting due to water slowly making it’s way into the system.

I've never changed every two years on any vehicle.

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Post by bitcharmer »

RedShift1 wrote: post #228
braza wrote: post #125

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I don't own a Tesla, but I have a relevant anecdote related to your post. I rented a Model 3 in Switzerland and while the car was drivable, I felt that the interior was cheaply made, giving the impression that I was driving a toy car. The car had a lot of plastic and whenever I drove over bumpy roads, there were cracking friction sounds everywhere. Additionally, the acceleration was extremely sensitive, making it dif…

The interior is cheap. Even my 10 year old BMW 1 series interior feels better and is much sturdier.

Does your BMW have blinkers?
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