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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by mrguyorama »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #319
wruza wrote: post #309

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First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

I pay for YouTube to support the platform and creators. If you don't pay for a service, you aren't the customer you are the product. Google may need to shut down the free viewership of most YouTube videos unless the creator pays for them to be hosted or the viewers sign up for a subscription. The ad model is clearly failing.

But Youtube DOESN'T support creators unless you are one of the mega-influencers targeting 12 year olds with daily "Wowie zowie" uploads. Ask every medium sized channel how helpful youtube is. Ask any channel with a million subscribers if the changes youtube makes improves their lives or business. Multiple of these groups of channels have banded together to make youtube alternatives explicitly to escape the damn algorithm treadmill.

Youtube doesn't support creators, it milks them dry for content.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by mrguyorama »

jacquesm wrote: post #410
bko wrote: post #393

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Great so you know how expensive running a video hosting site is. So explain to me why Google will continue footing the bill when more and more people prevent them to run ads on the site.

I think you missed the point. Google bought youtube because for them bandwidth and storage are cheap (it's CPU that is expensive). Back in the 90's when bandwidth was expensive we managed to run a free video site without advertising. Since then bandwidth has become orders of magnitude cheaper, and G has economies of scale that no other operator can get close to, they quite literally own the fiber, the endpoints and a…

What was the bandwidth of the stream you were working with back in the 90s? Google targets about 8-10mb/s now for 1080p, right?

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

mrguyorama wrote: post #422
jacquesm wrote: post #410

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I think you missed the point. Google bought youtube because for them bandwidth and storage are cheap (it's CPU that is expensive). Back in the 90's when bandwidth was expensive we managed to run a free video site without advertising. Since then bandwidth has become orders of magnitude cheaper, and G has economies of scale that no other operator can get close to, they quite literally own the fiber, the endpoints and a…

What was the bandwidth of the stream you were working with back in the 90s? Google targets about 8-10mb/s now for 1080p, right?

Considerably less than that. So much so that our 1 Gbps uplink was enough for a few thousand streams. But so much more expensive and with such lousy compression ratio that you could to much better today for less. Apples to apples.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

tmtvl wrote: post #418
jacquesm wrote: post #345

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Infrastructure costs are such that they're a rounding error on the total google budget.

With all respect, do you have a source for that? I thought Alphabet was losing money hand over fist on YT before they started being so aggressive with the ads.

Let's for the moment assume that you are right, then they shouldn't have bought it in ... 2006, all of 17 years ago. And if they are short of money why are they pushing more and more junk on people? Let's start with switching off autoplay by default, limiting videos to 640x480, and offering creators to pay for the hosting so that their video can be shipped, just like I pay for the hosting of my web servers.

Their whole position is horribly inconsistent.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by MrMember »

Algent wrote: post #263
DeathArrow wrote: post #244

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>What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. Until Google changes how the web works and all other browsers will align. And they can do that, since they almost own the web trough Chrome.

Twitch "permanently" won by injecting ads directly on the feed, right now best you can do is sneak swap the small resolution version that stay on the side until they also removed this.

You can also VPN to a country that they don't serve ads to.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by godshatter »

throw0101b wrote: post #119
godshatter wrote: post #79

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They are giving things away for free with ads attached to them. People who don't like advertisements are removing them without looking at them. They are retaliating by trying to force them to look at the ads or to otherwise mess with them getting the free items in a timely manner in the first place. Well within their rights, I guess, but it still seems like they are throwing a tantrum to me.

> They are giving things away for free with ads attached to them. The are not "giving things away": they have terms of service. The agreement is: pay for premium or watch the ads. (This way they can pay their bills (including employee salaries and the creators that make the content).)

I am going to a publicly available web page, that they provide for the purpose of consuming their content, using standard protocols. I'm just filtering some of it out on my end on the computer I own and control. I don't see anything wrong with this, no matter what BS they might try to claim in their TOS.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by potsandpans »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259
jacquesm wrote: post #234

What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. If we weren't youtube/Google wouldn't be making such a fuss. So keep it up. I can also heartily recommend the 'unhook' browser extension, it takes care of all of those upsells and feeds.

What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

For every one youtuber making a living, there's 1000s making pennies.

I'm old enough to remember that content creators existed before the youtube monetization machine.

I think if there's one thing we can rely on not stopping, it's people's urge to create and share

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Post by ThatPlayer »

Beached wrote: post #317
DeathArrow wrote: post #251

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>People will leave YouTube once enough bullshit piles on Not convinced. Many watch influencers and monetized channels and they won't leave.

I'm surprised more content creators do not upload their content to other platforms. the video is already made. is yt really the ONLY monetizing platform outthere?

YouTube is the best monetized platform for videos. TikTok is notorious for paying terribly. I don't think Facebook pays much either. You pay Vimeo to host videos on their platform.

The other alternatives like Nebula and Floatplane paywall all viewers, and doesn't seem open to new creators without a viewerbase.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Saris »

guerrilla wrote: post #411
Saris wrote: post #405

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Can you explain it a little? Because I'm not sure I get it. As far as I know peertube is centralized with a P2P element on top, but P2P only works if at least one side has an open port.

It sounds like you get it but what I'm saying is you just add colo'd (or whatever) peers. Nobody in particular needs to be responsible for that. Bandwidth in Eastern Europe, for example, is dirt cheap - practically free. It'd be similar to how we do Mastodon: a bunch of different peer networks with a bunch of different funding and management models. You don't need to rely on the instance server for hosting, just init…

Does peertube support using another host as a dedicated P2P peer, and it would load balance over available hosts? I feel like I looked into that before and it was only clients watching the video that could do it.

But if it can now, that would be the missing piece that I wasn't getting.

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