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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by MBCook »

andrewprock wrote: post #250
ezfe wrote: post #157

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I still know a number of my colleagues who haven't jumped onto the Apple Silicon machines despite our 2019 Intel machines being out of warranty (and thus eligible for replacement) for two years now

I'm still using a 2015 macbook for my personal daily driver. I have to plug it in regularly, but otherwise it works just fine for everything except video editing.

I thought the same, but ended up upgrading to an M1 Air due to a hardware failure.

Sure it feels 100x faster. But more than that it’s DEAD SILENT (no fan in the machine!) and completely cool.

The temperature/noise, if I had experienced it myself first, would have probably gotten me to upgrade.

I use a 2019 Intel MBP at work. It’s much faster than my old 2015 too, but with the additional heat and noise I didn’t really want one.

I would have taken the noise/heat of the M1 + 2018 or 2019 performance. Instead I got heat/noise of the M1 and far better performance, for a fraction of what my 2015 cost (unadjusted) new.

Amazing upgrade.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by photonerd »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #223
photonerd wrote: post #204

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Depends. Is it faster? Then it's an upgrade. Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly Mhz Myth already?

Let me re-write your post with the opposite view. Both are unconvincing. I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly cores Myth already? >>

That's... the same view, just applied to a different metric. Both would be correct.

Your reading comprehension needs work, no wonder you're unconvinced when you don't even understand what is being said.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by photonerd »

akerl_ wrote: post #256
throwaway2037 wrote: post #223

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Let me re-write your post with the opposite view. Both are unconvincing. I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly cores Myth already? >>

I think you're misreading the comment you're replying to. Both "more cores is always better" and "more MHz is always better" are myths.

Yup, exactly what I was saying.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by photonerd »

saagarjha wrote: post #300
photonerd wrote: post #204

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Depends. Is it faster? Then it's an upgrade. Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly Mhz Myth already?

Faster than what? M1 Pro? Just barely.

2.5x is "just barely"? lol k.

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Post by musictubes »

gtirloni wrote: post #174
dmitrygr wrote: post #159

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I tried to find a laptop with the specification you just mentioned that could last 20 hours on battery. Didn’t.

I'm personally always near a wall socket. My laptop is mostly a desktop. When I'm out and need to use the battery, it's only for a few hours. Do people really need >8h battery life?

I find the extra battery life his nice but it is really just a side effect of the machines not getting hot. That is an amazing feature if you ever have to actually use it on your lap. That also means that it stays silent the vast majority of the time.

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Post by timschmidt »

stouset wrote: post #404
timschmidt wrote: post #387

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Intel has supported three external displays on integrated graphics since Ivy Bridge in 2012.

I’m not sure what that has to do with it being a niche use-case or not.

Niche or not, being more than a decade behind the competition is gauche.

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Post by MBCook »

rewmie wrote: post #299
latchkey wrote: post #255

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Any reason for not upgrading?

> Any reason for not upgrading? Why is this sort of question always framed as if people have to provide a justification for not buying a new model, as if spending money on the new shiny without any reason is normal or desirable? We live in a day and age where hardware bought a decade ago still packs enough punch to run most of today's software without any hiccup. Why would anyone waste their cash to replace something…

Some people have experienced downsides you might want to know about.

For example as you passed 2016-2019, not only did you have the butterfly keyboard mess but each generation reportedly got hotter and thus louder.

My 2015 was quieter/cooler than my 2019.

So if you’re happy it may turn out that even though the newer machine has better performance it feels like a downgrade for other reasons.

(I don’t think that’s the case here)

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by photonerd »

rewmie wrote: post #281
photonerd wrote: post #204

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Depends. Is it faster? Then it's an upgrade. Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly Mhz Myth already?

> Depends. Is it faster? The devil tends to be in the details. More precisely, in the benchmark details. I think Apple provided none other than the marketing blurb. In the meantime, embarrassingly parallel applications do benefit from having more performant cores.

oh absolutely, I can't wait to see the benchmarks. Per the (non-numerical data) benchmarks in the video tho - it is faster. So... until other evidence presents itself, that's what we have to go on.

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Post by olliej »

rewmie wrote: post #299
latchkey wrote: post #255

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Any reason for not upgrading?

> Any reason for not upgrading? Why is this sort of question always framed as if people have to provide a justification for not buying a new model, as if spending money on the new shiny without any reason is normal or desirable? We live in a day and age where hardware bought a decade ago still packs enough punch to run most of today's software without any hiccup. Why would anyone waste their cash to replace something…

It would depend on workload. On my old intel MacBook, I was looking at an hour or so to build, and it could only complete one build on the battery if that. Testing took a similarly absurd amount of time.

The M1 dropped both times by in the region of 30 minutes, could do multiple rounds on a single charge and didn't make a tonne of noise while doing so.

The amount of time savings you get from the improved CPU perf is quantifiable, and you can assign a monetary amount to that time.

Now if your use case is not performance (cpu, battery, etc) limited then of course there's no reason to upgrade, ever really, but that would apply to any laptop or pc not just Macs.

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