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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by nani8ot »

pipo234 wrote: post #275
moffkalast wrote: post #210

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Alright so 27W with heavy peripheral draw then? But 12 W still means it'll be drawing 2.4 amps instead of 1.6 when a random process decides to 100% it. I guess we can always underclock it. The real unanswered question is, does it finally have a damn sleep mode so it can save power when idle.

I read that the "PC style" power button allows both soft and hard shutdown, so I suppose suspend and hibernate come into the picture as well. It's mostly a matter of OS support, the firmware seems to be there.

According to Jeff Geerling the Pi 5 doesn't support suspend in firmware, altough it might be possible with an update.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by badtension »

dtx1 wrote: post #411
badtension wrote: post #330

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Thanks. This is a bit surprising to me since they advertise two 60 Hz 4K display drivers...

You can have 4k60 and still have open office take seconds to respond to a keyboard input.

Sure but why include that if a text processor is too much for the board? To display static images or demoscene visualisations?

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Post by doubled112 »

alskdj21 wrote: post #358
chalsprhebaodu wrote: post #355

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Where can I find these mini PCs? I am trying to find hardware for an upcoming project and I’m considering the Pi but would love to see some alternatives.

You can check some Beelinks or some other Chinese brands over Amazon. Note that I haven't used any of them tho I'm considering getting one.

I've been fairly impressed by a couple of Beelinks Mini S12 I purchased a couple of weeks back. Intel N95 CPU, 16 GB RAM, 500GB NVMe. More than enough for checking email.

One was immediately wiped and I installed Debian 12. The other was wiped and I installed Windows 10 Pro. Both seemed to just work.

Hard to beat for less than $200 CAD.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by jacquesm »

suprjami wrote: post #381
chalsprhebaodu wrote: post #355

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Where can I find these mini PCs? I am trying to find hardware for an upcoming project and I’m considering the Pi but would love to see some alternatives.

eBay. I've picked up thin clients for $50 which take 16G RAM and M.2 SSD.

I'm always on the lookout for the beefier chromeboxes, they're pretty small physically and pack a lot of punch for such a little box. Asus chromebox 3/i7 is my favorite so far.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by _ugfj »

chalsprhebaodu wrote: post #355
glimshe wrote: post #348

Rasbperry Pis are losing their competitive edge for non-embedded applications to sub $150 mini PCs, which support Linux/Windows and will come with enclosure, NVMe slot, power button etc. The mini PCs are also generally much faster.

Where can I find these mini PCs? I am trying to find hardware for an upcoming project and I’m considering the Pi but would love to see some alternatives.

Just an example https://www.newegg.com/p/2SW-003Z-00008 but countless examples on amazon,newegg,aliexpress

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by LtdJorge »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #341
qwertox wrote: post #301

A NVMe compatible M.2 M Key connector (like the Rock 5 Model B [0] has) would have been really nice. I'm starting to accumulate old but good, yet small in storage space terms NVMe's which I'm no longer needing, but which would be perfect for a Raspi. Even if the PCIe bus were an older generation and not as performant as the NVMe. The microSD card slot is really great to have, to get up-and-running, but once it's clea…

Fwiw I bought a sleeve for my M.2 SSD and it plugs into usb3 with very little slowdown. It gets 500MiB read and 1.2GiB write. Haven’t measured vs native M.2 to compare, but it’s fast enough that I’d be surprised if the pi were blocked waiting for I/O vs native M.2. And native M.2 comes with increased manufacturing complexity.

Are you sure it's 1.2GiB? The RPi comes with 5Gb/s USB ports, which is 596MiB/s

Now that I think about it, Linux may be caching writes, but even then double the write speed compared to the read speed seems weird.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by schappim »

qwertox wrote: post #301

A NVMe compatible M.2 M Key connector (like the Rock 5 Model B [0] has) would have been really nice. I'm starting to accumulate old but good, yet small in storage space terms NVMe's which I'm no longer needing, but which would be perfect for a Raspi. Even if the PCIe bus were an older generation and not as performant as the NVMe. The microSD card slot is really great to have, to get up-and-running, but once it's clea…

This would limit you to just connect SSDs. Their solution opens up more versatile access to other PCIe devices.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by doubled112 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #312
wkat4242 wrote: post #91

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Yeah my intel atom NUCs run at 5W idle and 10W load and they're a ton faster than a pi 4. Probably a pi 5 too. It's not very impressive. And that's with a real SSD.

Yeah, the intel n100 is absolutely fantastic. but even at bargain basement price its at least 2-4x the price: https://www.amazon.co.uk/TRIGKEY-Mini-PC-Desktop-Computer/dp... I have the above, it's max powerdraw is From what I've seen the pi5 is 1/3rd faster than the intel j5005. (in pybench at least.) but comparing to a real intel NUC, of course its going to be faster, the NUC costs an entire order of magnitude more.

I don't know how the N95 and N100 compare, but I picked up a Beelink mini PC with an N95, 16GB RAM and 500 GB NVME for $195 on a sale the other day.

The Pi 5 looks to be $112.

By the time I buy a PSU, SD card, case, RTC battery, etc, I'm definitely not saving money buying a Pi.

Disclaimer: Canadian dollars.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by ac29 »

TheMode wrote: post #271
futureshock wrote: post #206

I think it’s notable that the chip powering the RP5 is built on a 16nm process. (The RP4 was on 26nm). This is a nearly 10 year old manufacturing process and it’s silly to compare the performance per watt to any Intel or Arm chip on the market today. On such an old node, it’s not surprising that the power draw is so high. Of course an M2 would smoke a RP5 at a much lower power. But the RP5 is 60 bucks!

Is there any high end 5/7nm SBC? Phone chips don't seem to escape the phone market.

Alder Lake N (N95, N100, etc) is built on a 7nm class process. Many of those systems could be considered SBCs (SoC/RAM/Storage is often all on a single board). Those CPUs are low end for x86, but much higher end than a typical ARM based SBC.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by l1k »

Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

The point here is likely to pull the rug out from under scalpers' feet.

With the Raspberry Pi 5 out in two weeks, all the held-back inventory of older models will be dumped, prices will plummet, availability will become a non-issue.

In that sense it's a wise move.

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