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macOS Sonoma is available today

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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pedalpete »

brandonasuncion wrote: post #373
stouset wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No other OS requires you too look it up. - Windows 3.1 - Windows 95 - Windows 98 - Windows 98 Second Edition - Windows 2000 - Windows Me - Windows XP - Windows Vista - Windows 7 - Windows 8 - Windows 10 1507 - Windows 10 2004 - Windows 10 21H2 - Windows 10 22H2 - Windows 11 21H2 - Windows 11 22H2 Compare to - Mac OS X 10.0 (Cheetah) - Mac OS X 10.1 (Puma) - Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) - Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) - Mac OS…

Also, Android 1.0 Android 1.1 Android Cupcake Android Donut Android Eclair Android Froyo Android Gingerbread Android Honeycomb Android Ice Cream Sandwich Android Jelly Bean Android KitKat Android Lollipop Android Marshmallow Android Nougat Android Oreo Android Pie Android 10 Android 11 Android 12 Android 12L Android 13 Android 14 Android 15

Notice how Android clearly was alphabetical, until they realised people weren't getting that (or got sick of coming up with names of sugary foods), and went back to the number system.

Mac has not gone with alphabetical, but seemingly random names related to cats or places in California.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pedalpete »

rpgbr wrote: post #330
pedalpete wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to the wikipedia page, which is kinda the point. No other OS requires you too look it up. Even WatchOS and iOS directly use version numbers. Saying it's due to NextStep integration sounds like a strange defense of this naming strategy (if that was your intention). They have version numbers, but they decide to use the "code name" as a product name.

Have you been following Windows 10/11 versions? macOS’ naming scheme is a breeze in comparison.

How do you figure? Windows had 7, 8, skipped 9, 10, 11, and now 12 is coming.

Windows thought they'd never do a major update again, and tried to hold on to the 10 label, but then realized that wouldn't work. So 11 is a bit of a branding stumble, but we know, it came after 10.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by adastra22 »

FabHK wrote: post #362
speak_plainly wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sonoma is the 21st release of a Mac operating system based on NeXTSTEP. The switch to 11 marked the transition to Apple Silicon. The code names have been used as an alternate name since 10.2 Jaguar as a way at the time to differentiate from and shame Microsoft’s Longhorn (Vista). 1. Mac OS X Public Beta (Kodiak) - 2000 2. Mac OS X 10.0 (Cheetah) - 2001 3. Mac OS X 10.1 (Puma) - 2001 4. Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) - 2002 5…

> 4. Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) - 2002 Or “Jagwire”, as Steve Jobs said: https://youtu.be/nXJsS4B42_Q?t=708

That's how Jaguar is pronounced in American English.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by hotnfresh »

astrange wrote: post #213
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Once again a good time to remember that there were multiple perfectly good package managers available when Homebrew was invented, they were more future-proof (by eg not putting files in /usr/local), and everyone only switched to it because for some reason Ruby programmers wanted all of their tools to be written in Ruby (and possibly by people with waxed mustaches.)

I switched because Macports reliably borked itself doing ordinary operations every 4-6 months, and Brew didn’t. That was like 2012 to be fair, but Brew’s never given me much trouble and the package selection is insanely good, so I’ve had no reason to look at other options since.

Its being in ruby is a strike against it, for me. I use it anyway. It’s probably my favorite package manager, all things considered, and I’ve used a lot.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Rebelgecko »

crazygringo wrote: post #24
spicybright wrote: post #16

FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the desktop again! It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just always preferred having information always in my "peripheral" instead of having to actively check a separate menu.

Wait when were widgets ever available on the desktop before? Years ago they were on a separate dashboard screen but that wasn't the desktop. This seems entirely new, not any kind of full circle. Edit: just to clarify, I'm talking about on Macs, not Windows.

At least some versions of OSX let you pull widgets out of Dashboard (don't remember if that feature was there in the initial release of Widgets, and it required a defaults setting)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pram »

Y-bar wrote: post #120
divbzero wrote: post #30

I’ve used Nativefier for years and am excited for this new feature described in the release notes: > Web apps let you use any website like an app, complete with an icon in the Dock for faster access and a simplified toolbar for easier browsing.

Are these separate instances/containers with regards to cache and cookies and such? I would love to have this because I have multiple Atlassian accounts I need to juggle and it is a pain today.

Yes it has its own cookies etc

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by dmt0 »

aeyes wrote: post #288
chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

You absolutely need this: https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by xyst »

rayiner wrote: post #372

This is a year of work by a trillion dollar company? Steve Jobs would have kicked someone’s ass.

Feels more like a bug fix release. Feels more snappier on M1.

Plus they fixed the god awful auto switching for AirPods (phone to mac). Much more seamless

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by RunSet »

slmjkdbtl wrote: post #371

Is there any update to Music.app? 50% of my work on a computer is managing my local music library, and the app is extremely buggy since the rewrite in Big Sur. Want to make sure it doesn't become more buggy in this release.

I wish there was some way to entirely disable the macOS music player when it is not in use.

I am referring in particular to the visual element outlined in the red rectangle in the image below.

https://i.imgur.com/6uOjflM.jpg

It is a small thing, but as annoying in its way to me as the blank space in the Windows 11 Start Menu that remains when the advertisements displayed there by default are disabled.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by thangngoc89 »

kube-system wrote: post #172
thangngoc89 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows Vista and Windows 7 circa. Separate dashboard screen is from Windows 8

Windows had Active Desktop way back in the day. https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:1020x765/2400x1800/...

You learn something new everyday. We don’t have Internet during the Windows 9x circa so now ideas this is even possible.
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