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Post by edmundsauto »

waithuh wrote: post #201
edmundsauto wrote: post #195

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Why would they load balance based on user agent? I can’t think of a scenario where that was a reasonable solution.

Maybe back when standarts where on shaky ground and different versions of the same content was made? I too cant see the performance advantage of it. Deprioritizing less mainstream browsers to mess with the nerds?

Ahhh yes I remember those days... if you wanted to use advanced IE-only features, send to one codebase, if you wanted broader compatability, send to another. Similar to how mobile websites used to work. Thanks for the ideas! Any other hypotheses?

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by nextaccountic »

LoganDark wrote: post #323
silisili wrote: post #297

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There are a handful of Webkit based browsers out there, though none that popular except for Safari. But yes, 3 is all we're left with outside of a few bespoke projects...

Honestly the SerenityOS browser (+ its Linux port, Ladybird) is probably the funniest. I wonder if that passes CloudFlare...

Servo seems to be more viable than Ladybird

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by janc_ »

cutler wrote: post #217
lambda wrote: post #157

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And even when it doesn't block you completely, it delays website loading, makes you jump through frustrating captchas, etc. It's probably third in the list of frustrating web behaviors in the past couple of years (behind GDPR popups and registration/paywalls that seem to have gotten much worse recently). And somehow there are some sites that I get CF delay walls on every time I visit. This feature is utterly broken f…

Why not take a screenshot of the CF error and send it to the website owner? It would freak me out if I thought a significant number of my website's users were being blocked by CF.

How do you send them that when you can't access the contact form and/or contact information on their site because Cloudflare blocks it? (assuming a normal visitor, not someone who knows about whois etc.)

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by tremon »

cutler wrote: post #217
lambda wrote: post #157

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And even when it doesn't block you completely, it delays website loading, makes you jump through frustrating captchas, etc. It's probably third in the list of frustrating web behaviors in the past couple of years (behind GDPR popups and registration/paywalls that seem to have gotten much worse recently). And somehow there are some sites that I get CF delay walls on every time I visit. This feature is utterly broken f…

Why not take a screenshot of the CF error and send it to the website owner? It would freak me out if I thought a significant number of my website's users were being blocked by CF.

I have done that numerous times. Even sent a screen recording of the Cloudflare spinner of hell. The response is always the same: you must be running some shady software on your machine.

Cloudflare is acting as judge and executioner, and site owners never accept that the product may be faulty.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by shadowgovt »

wrkta wrote: post #360
shadowgovt wrote: post #270

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ReCAPTCHA was designed with this in mind: given that we had the need to distinguish humans from bots, it presents problems that are hard for bots to solve, where the resulting output is valuable. So the time consumed isn't wasted.

It's wasted from the perspective of the end user.

Not when the end user turns around and uses Google Maps which is now populated with higher quality fine feature information due to the training of the machine learning system on what traffic controls look like.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by BizarroLand »

afavour wrote: post #96
dcow wrote: post #84

So many privacy nuts use Chrome and don't realize this: > What about Google Chrome? > I tried all of the above in Firefox. So I naturally tried to access the same page in Google Chrome to see if I’d still be blocked. Thankfully, I wasn’t. > But of course I wasn’t because Chrome doesn’t have the same privacy- and security-enhancing designs that Firefox does. Chrome will happily collect as much private information abou…

I’m no Google fanboy but I wasn’t satisfied with this: > Chrome will happily collect as much private information about me and my browsing history and share them with select parties, as needed What information does Chrome provide in this scenario that Firefox doesn’t? It feels like backward logic: it worked in Chrome therefore it must be because Chrome gave extra info. In reality it could be a whole bunch of things, s…

I've had sporadic issues with Firefox not working on work-related sites one day when the previous day it worked just fine.

I have ublock, privacy badger, decentraleyes, canvas blocker, facebook disconnect, and duckduckgo privacy essentials installed.

I would go through and disable each extension in order to see if it was the cause of the issue, and so far, every single time it has been duckduckgo privacy essentials that is breaking websites for me.

I think I should remove it at this point, but who knows? Maybe it's protecting me from something that I don't see.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by adammartinetti »

itscrush wrote: post #82
adammartinetti wrote: post #65

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Would you be willing to share a rayID you see during one of these looping challenges? I'm the PM for Cloudflare's challenge platform, and we'd love to look into this. RayIDs contain no PII so you can share publicly, or feel free to drop me an email at amartinetti at cloudflare. We'll also release a reporting mechanism soon, so in the future you can let us know when you see these issues and we can react to them quickl…

Here's some loop samples; - Gitlab; Ray ID: 7f3961b4ec46c443 - Zabbix; Ray ID: 7f39624d982bc32e - NameMC; Ray ID: 7f3962e68d251871 - Camelcamelcamel; Ray ID: 7f3962eb9cbb421f Easily can recreate at least the never ending loop by flipping on ublock origin's 3rd party scripts and 3rd party frame blocking, which matches their recommended medium settings.

Would you be able to clarify your comment about ublock origin? Cloudflare's challenge page (any captcha provider as well) is a third party script. If I enable these settings I don't see the challenge load as all. Are you enabling ublock origin before entering the challenge or sometime later?

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by adammartinetti »

executesorder66 wrote: post #238
adammartinetti wrote: post #234

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Thanks so much to you and everyone else who's supplied these. I'm collecting them now, and the team is looking into this.

It would be nice, once the investigation is concluded, if you guys posted the findings on the cloudflare blog. Otherwise it would just feel like a "your call is very important to us, please hold" kind of situation.

I think this is fair! I can promise a public blog update in the next 90 days that includes a progress update on the work we're doing now to reduce real humans being blocked and announcing the feedback form users can click on to easily let us know when there's a problem.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by adammartinetti »

blocked-by-cf wrote: post #175
adammartinetti wrote: post #65

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Would you be willing to share a rayID you see during one of these looping challenges? I'm the PM for Cloudflare's challenge platform, and we'd love to look into this. RayIDs contain no PII so you can share publicly, or feel free to drop me an email at amartinetti at cloudflare. We'll also release a reporting mechanism soon, so in the future you can let us know when you see these issues and we can react to them quickl…

I also cannot access my VPS provider when using firefox. ray id 7f3a169d4e630306 I previously had the same problem with ungoogled-chromium as well (regular chromium worked), but I guess it works now after 2-3 loops.

Would you be able to drop me an email at amartinetti at cloudflare dot com with more information on your setup? Some of the signals we're getting from your browser don't seem to match what we'd expect to see. We'd love to better understand what's causing the mismatch so we can improve our logic.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by adammartinetti »

ta89313 wrote: post #88
adammartinetti wrote: post #65

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Would you be willing to share a rayID you see during one of these looping challenges? I'm the PM for Cloudflare's challenge platform, and we'd love to look into this. RayIDs contain no PII so you can share publicly, or feel free to drop me an email at amartinetti at cloudflare. We'll also release a reporting mechanism soon, so in the future you can let us know when you see these issues and we can react to them quickl…

- Gitlab: 7f39707d0fa023af - Zabbix: 7f3970eabe8ff196 - SteamDB: 7f396f534b0400d2 - Casetext: (works) - NameMC: 7f3971a01a22d5a8 - Spinroot: (works) - Camelcamelcamel: (works)

I'd love to get more information from you on this. We don't see any suspicious signals from these attempts, and it looks like they were completed 100% successfully from our perspective. You can drop me an email at amartinetti at cloudflare dot com.
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