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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

#421

What surprised me the most was the fact that people have enough disposable income to pay for search to make this viable

Search is one of the most critical pieces of technology for most people on the web. That, combined with the point another comment made that indicates the demographic of Kagi largely revolves around IT/SWE (who generally have more disposable income than other types of jobs), shows good reason why Kagi could survive long term

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

#422

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It goes to show how hard of a problem searching for relevant information is, when some of the world's smartest engineers can't help but return the world's most useless website in their web search.

There's no reason to believe those smartest engineers' incentives are to give you good search results. If this was a technical problem this would be solved long ago by a simple "if domain == 'pinterest.com': skip()". The problem is that the company employing those engineers is acting maliciously and benefits from you wasting your time with irrelevant/unusable search results as it contributes to "engagement" on the se…

Incentives surely play a massive role but it certainly is a technical problem. Pinterest must be showing up in Kagi's search in order for it to be so high up in the block list rankings. Do they share Google's incentives? The technical problem is deciding what is relevant when you have the entire world working towards gaming your search algorithm to appear at the top of the results. This makes it a cat and mouse game, and playing whack-a-mole by doing things like "if domain == 'pinterest.com': skip()", isn't scalable.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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There's no reason to believe those smartest engineers' incentives are to give you good search results. If this was a technical problem this would be solved long ago by a simple "if domain == 'pinterest.com': skip()". The problem is that the company employing those engineers is acting maliciously and benefits from you wasting your time with irrelevant/unusable search results as it contributes to "engagement" on the se…

Incentives surely play a massive role but it certainly is a technical problem. Pinterest must be showing up in Kagi's search in order for it to be so high up in the block list rankings. Do they share Google's incentives? The technical problem is deciding what is relevant when you have the entire world working towards gaming your search algorithm to appear at the top of the results. This makes it a cat and mouse game,…

> Do they share Google's incentives?

No and that's why they are offering the ability to tweak per-domain ranking per user, along with a leaderboard of most-blocked domains so people can easily find and block problematic domains.

The issue with blocking Pinterest by default is that people who use Pinterest might actually want those results, so that's not a good default.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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post #409

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Pintrest is among the top blocked. It clearly doesn't have spam, but it commonly shows up because of it’s vast array of user content. For people not interested in Pinterest content, this is a very useful feature. NYTimes is another good example, great content for subscribers, essentially useless spam in a search result for non-subscribers. The only person who can configure this is the user.

Can you shine light as to why w3schools.com is blocked and lowered so much, while most other sources of CS information are raised ? Is their information of such low quality ?

They used to have outright incorrect information a long time ago. They fixed the site and are much better, but it's aimed at a non technical audience in the end.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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post #183

Are there shared lists you can subscribe to (and extend) instead of having to waste a lot of time implementing your own from scratch?

Isn't this page a shared list? As Kagi user I can click a button next to every domain here to apply given setting

no, thousands and thousands of clicks isn't what makes a list shared

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Yep. They’re trying to drop the price as well—users on an annual Legacy Professional plan have been given unlimited searches again (which is the $10/mo pricing). Really hoping this is sustainable because Kagi is night-and-day for me compared to google and ddg.

Is that a different thing from "early adopter professional"? Because that one still shows "$10/mo - 1,500 searches included" for me on the billing page.

I believe it is currently only available to people whose $10/mo subscriptions had not renewed before the end of May.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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post #76

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Ah, but then they acquired Doubleclick (or was it the other way around?) and a monopoly was formed.

The feature definitely existed after the DC acquisition.

It takes a while for mergers to result in solid directional change.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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It has the "wrong" bias for most of the HN crowd: https://i.imgur.com/taGzsZP.jpg To be fair, it is biased, but then so are most outlets one way or the other: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/ratings

The problem with Breitbart isn't just bias, it's the amount of outright blatantly false claims. (This isn't to say that other major media outlets don't have problems with accuracy. But the magnitude is very different.)

But like what? Genuinely curious for an example of "blatantly false claims"? As I'm on the "right" side of the spectrum, and these kinds of comments come from a criticism of "misinformation".

Also, as an aside. What is a "false claim"? If it's a claim, they're asking you to believe it, which means they need to motivate it and provide details to back it up. Seems precisely where all the media generally is (including CNN/BBC/etc), pandering to peoples' bias without saying anything factually incorrect.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

#429

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> The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. And specifically, American programmers and IT professionals.

As a European IT professional and a Kagi subscriber, I get my information from and contribute my knowledge to the same sources as you do. I don't know why I would bother to look something up in my native language when there is much more information available in English, the lingua franca of the (Western) world. I don't even read Wikipedia in my own language, unless the subject is better covered.

I’m also European and subscribe to Kagi. One feature I really like is that I can specifically make a local search by adding a bang with the country, like !fr or !es.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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post #105

Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits. I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing. If they octupled the price to…

Funny story: Earlier this week, my Kagi results when to shit. If I made the slightest spelling mistake in a query, it would return nothing. Often it would just return nothing for a query where google would return millions of results. It got so bad that I started getting in the habit of typing 'g' in front of searches to go straight to google, but then I was hit with the usual google issues of SEO sites, spam sites an…

Noted.

Small ask - please consider sharing any issues on KagiFeedback [1] so that we can track and act on it right away.

[1] https://kagifeedback.org

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