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Eating microwave popcorn increases the level of PFAS in body (2022)

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Post by adrianmonk »

leetrout wrote: post #420
adrianmonk wrote: post #407

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1200W Panasonic inverter microwave. 66g of popcorn (that's two servings, according to the label). 2 minutes and 8 seconds. After cooking, add oil/butter and popcorn salt, then toss. Popcorn salt likes to fall to the bottom, so after tossing, I put on the popper lid, carefully flip it upside down, and shake. Also, I use a silicone popper, not a paper bag. (Above, I meant to reply to a different comment.) I'm eating so…

What popper are you using?

I'm using one called Salbree from Amazon. But looking at the pictures of the other ones, many brands of them look identical, like they're made in the same factory.

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Post by ajolly »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #330
f5ve wrote: post #292

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It removes flouride as well, for better or worse -- one of very few available filters which do. (Some think flouride is good and some think it's bad.) I have it, and purely ergonomically, it's the best filter I've ever used. It's also quite expensive with expensive filters that need replacing frequently.

This isn't a some think it's good and some think it's bad kind of thing. Just like with climate change there's no legitimate other side. Fluoride in your water supply is key to reducing tooth decay. Every medical association every scrap of evidence that we have says it's useful and important. It cuts tooth decay by 25% or so at all ages. You're doing yourself and your family a massive disservice by not adding it back…

Nanohydroxypatite seems more effective than fluoride. But stannous fluoride looks like it has more overall benefits than sodium fluoride if you want to go to the fluoride route.

Some toothpaste have both, Dr jens for example which does have the 10% concentration shown most effective in clinical trials

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Post by unaindz »

cnity wrote: post #176
DiabloD3 wrote: post #164

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I agree. However, how do you go after people who have so much money they can literally buy their way out of any appropriate punishment? We need something stronger than the ICC.

There are solutions but they exist only outside of the judicial system...

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Re: Eating microwave popcorn increases the level of PFAS in body (2022)

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Post by sschueller »

InvaderFizz wrote: post #33

Best popcorn you can make is cheap and easy cleanup. Take one large pot (the kind that holds like 10qts). Cover the bottom with kernels. Add a bit of oil, basically just enough to swirl and have everything covered in an oil sheen, not enough to have them submerged. Cover, put on high (I use gas). I like to suspend a paper towel between the lid and the rest of the pot, absorbs excess oil and water. Once popping slows,…

Buy a 20 USD hot air popcorn machine. No unpoped kernels and you add as little or as much oil/butter etc you want at the end. No cleanup needed either. Only downside is that they are loud.

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Post by zestyping »

adrianmonk wrote: post #407
rubslopes wrote: post #404

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Would you mind sharing your formula and also your microwave's wattage?

1200W Panasonic inverter microwave. 66g of popcorn (that's two servings, according to the label). 2 minutes and 8 seconds. After cooking, add oil/butter and popcorn salt, then toss. Popcorn salt likes to fall to the bottom, so after tossing, I put on the popper lid, carefully flip it upside down, and shake. Also, I use a silicone popper, not a paper bag. (Above, I meant to reply to a different comment.) I'm eating so…

Does it depend on the microwave having a turntable?

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Post by DropInIn »

coldtea wrote: post #419
interestica wrote: post #381

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> It's just culinary cargo cult. I think you’re misunderstanding the use. It’s a different goal from grinding spices. It’s functional. And I’ve never seen powdered salt selling anywhere in Canada. (Except for expensive artisan stuff). So, the best way to achieve it is with a grinder+rock salt. I’ve been using a simple Amazon grinder and it’s easy to use. Powdered salt tastes different not because of a differing chemi…

> It’s a different goal from grinding spices. It’s functional. Or... it's an after the fact rationalization for the cargo cult! At best this might be your goal, for whatever reason. 99% of the people who cargo cult a salt grinder don't have that reason - and regular sold salt would be 100% OK for their purposes.

Okay c'mon now, are you even trying to understand/empathize with their argument at all?

Right off the bat any real consideration will make you aware that large particles will distribute very differently from small particles of the same volume.

Additionally that large particles will be substantively different from small particles in how they interact with the toungue. Eg large particles will "burn" more due to their extreme concentration and will be effectively "hot spots" of seasoning.

From just that it would be apparent that there would be truth to the claim of substantial difference in experience when using the two forms.

Right?

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Post by dools »

dawidpotocki wrote: post #294
dools wrote: post #148

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Until you realise that it's probably kids coming home from school and microwaving popcorn while both of their parents are at work still.

Until you realise that someone has to buy the popcorn, i.e. the parents.

Right … but it’s not unreasonable to buy your kid microwave popcorn unless you know it’s harmful which one would assume is not the case since you can get it in the supermarket. So like, the people who were included in the study were obviously consuming the popcorn in the absence of the study.

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Post by gpvos »

lkbm wrote: post #255
randallsquared wrote: post #247

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Uh, I think something went wrong with your conversion. 10 quarts is about 9.5 liters.

You're using US quarts; they're using Imperial quarts[0]. (But I expect the recipe was also using US quarts, so still a useful adjustment to note.) [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=10+imperial+quarts+in+liters

I used the common Unix "units" program, and entered quarts and asked for l (i.e., litres). Maybe it used my locale? GNU programs can be crazy like that.

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Post by dawidpotocki »

dools wrote: post #427
dawidpotocki wrote: post #294

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Until you realise that someone has to buy the popcorn, i.e. the parents.

Right … but it’s not unreasonable to buy your kid microwave popcorn unless you know it’s harmful which one would assume is not the case since you can get it in the supermarket. So like, the people who were included in the study were obviously consuming the popcorn in the absence of the study.

It's not reasonable to buy 7 packs a week though.

Supermarkets sell a lot of unhealthy food which will give you terrible results if you eat them everyday, so I don't think that's a good argument.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

smallerfish wrote: post #235
m_mueller wrote: post #166

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wait, how can you differentiate the unpopped from the yet to pop? (tbh. so far I'm just a premade popcorn buyer, so ELI5...)

Ignore the snark from the sibling comments. You have to study the grain. Most kernels have a left to right grain, and they will pop between 140-150C, because the cell structure of the skin is weak in several places. A relatively rare genetic mutation leads to around 1-2% of kernels having a right to left grain, and because of this orientation the skin is actually more robust in the typical popping spots, meaning that…

If this is true, does this mean that it's technically possible to pre-sort out most of the kernels that won't pop easily? Do expensive popcorn brands do this? Would it be possible to breed out this mutation? So many questions.
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