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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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I saw posts in threads here saying that some sub-reddits didn't have votes. And the vote or not does not adress my point about forcing users who don't want to participate to have to. If the majority of the users wanted to boycott, then if they don't go to Reddit.com, simple as that.

>And the vote or not does not adress my point about forcing users who don't want to participate to have to. They're always free to go start their own subreddits.

The same is true for the mods. Mods don't own subreddits, the community does. If they want to close down communities that aren't theirs, why not just quit Reddit? They are free to stop moderating.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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wait that’s the opposite: reddit uses a flat username space, whereas the federated ones have a hierarchical namespace that reduces collisions. there can only be one “johannes” on Reddit, but right now there can be 200-300 “johannes” on Lemmy (rendered “johannes@ ” when viewed from a foreign instance).

Assuming Lemmy will be "the winner" currently it is a small player, where differ etc instances already stop federating each other, thus splitting the community early. If not at each forum I have to decide which variant of my name I pick and then remember. On reddit I could take that choice once for a huge number of forums. (as long as I was willing to share identity over different subreddits)

> Assuming Lemmy will be "the winner"

there's also kbin, and you can post/read from either with any Mastodon/Pleroma/Misskey account just with a worse UI. i'd be surprised at this point if the winner isn't just Activity Pub with some thin layer on top.

> different instances already stop federating each other, thus splitting the community early.

instances usually provide at least some reason when they defederate with each other. maybe users will learn to be cognizant of who they're associating with when they pick an instance. i've seen that with tech-literate friends joining Mastodon who pick a 4chan-like unfiltered/unhinged instance as their home without understanding that such an instance causes outsized complaints compared to the "average" instance and will have less access to outside communities as a result.

i'm sure there's an opportunity for better admin/mod tooling -- hopefully some of the defeds that have happened in Lemmy recently will reverse once things settle down -- but i think even with that it has to be a new way of thinking both for users and operators about what it means to be a member of an instance. it seems that when you hand someone a magic knob they can turn between "less toxicity/abuse" and "broader reach", most will turn it further toward that "less toxicity" edge than Twitter or Reddit do themselves -- even if the tooling for it's so crude. i get why that worries people, but honestly, the benefits of that in other federated systems i use so far have been incredibly worth it (and the cost of migrating to a different instance overblown).

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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I don’t blame them. Reddit owns the subreddits, not redditors. I have no idea why someone would put the time required into moderating a large sub for no money just for Reddit’s benefit in the first place. A Reddit model where the mods share in profits (kind of how YouTube creators do) would be interesting. But if you’re going to sign up for that, you can’t expect Reddit to just let you tank their site. It was never y…

Landlordism is a parasitical economic strategy.

I don't like mods either but parasites? I mean sure they act like the communities they mod belong to them but that's a bit much!

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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reddit moderators have an unbelievably inflated sense of their worth, which is why they thought this blackout was going to accomplish anything in the first place. I assure you, there is a line around the block of people clamoring to become mods. There's a reason its nigh impossible to become a mod of a big sub, the people that are doing it really like doing it and dont want more people joining to dilute their share o…

I think it's likely that at least some of the reason they don't add more mods is that it's hard to find and vet good mods, so there's an element of risk in adding more mods.

It's not easy to find good people, even in a large subreddit. Here's a concrete example - (https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a5lz5/mod_cod...). They have 243k users and got 14 candidates, two of whom are suitable.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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I admire your attempt to reason with the unreasonable!

A lot of people end up as neo-nazis or similar because they're anxiety-ridden losers who take refuge in cosmic narratives. Aggressive and violent ones need punching, but lot of them are confused and need a way to vent to a non-judgmental person. Moralistic approaches tend not to be very effective ime - horse, water etc..

I agree with you, but I've never had the patience to make that work in practice.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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In my experience Reddit seems to have various different cache/worker servers and it can takes a while for things to fully propagate. But they could be so overloaded the deletes are silently failing.

Check out the other thread. It looks like they just globally zeroed their is_post_deleted column.

Things I deleted are still [deleted]. Sounds like a bunch of FUD and rdrama.net trolling.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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>No, I'm not going to sit down and read [...] the rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult [...or] step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. (pardon the edit, but I don't think it's a misrepresentation of what you said) So in other words, you didn't actually want to participate in the community and the automoderation worked as intend…

>the rules used to curate a specific community Or ensure group think.

Same question, what specific "group think" are you so concerned is happening on reddit?

(Also, you are now banned from /r/pyongyang)

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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First labor strike, huh? Ask yourself, who told you that was true? The strikers? Or the guy with the vested interest in breaking the strike and desperate to find anyone -- literally anyone -- to cross the line?

Strikes can't stop people from crossing the line and becoming scabs. I think that sets this situation apart in an interesting way. Subs didn't vote on if they wanted to keep posting/moderating. They essentially voted on if dissidents or the minority can keep posting/moderating

They voted on making their subs private.

Everything you wrote is a gross misrepresentation of the stituation.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Check out the other thread. It looks like they just globally zeroed their is_post_deleted column.

Things I deleted are still [deleted]. Sounds like a bunch of FUD and rdrama.net trolling.

Well, a decent number of people have been hit by it, from the looks of it. I just got to spend a bit of my morning re-deleting things.

How much have you deleted, an odd post, or do you have an auto-deleter?

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Inevitable that this was going to happen. I have no issue with it. Most mods have an issue because they want to mod from their phones. There are mods like me who use desktop exclusively and don't care about third party apps in the slightest. More importantly, most users seem to want the subs reopened, and it isn't fair or just to punish the users because the mods can't mod the way they want to anymore. The mods that…

>Most mods have an issue because they want to mod from their phones. There are mods like me who use desktop exclusively and don't care about third party apps in the slightest.

Same here. Not a mod, but have always used Reddit from the desktop (with the new UI turned off), so zero interest in third-party apps. It's one thing to do messaging or email while out and about, but why would I want to intentionally use a text-intensive system like Reddit through a small screen without a keyboard to type on?

I wonder if the API change will end the practice of mods sharing automated block lists (Context for others: If you post in a wrongthink subreddit, many other subreddits will preemptively ban you regardless of your actual activity in them, if any). If so, and if there are fewer handfuls of powermods that control dozens of subreddits, I'm all for the change.

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