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> Relationships were shallow and lasted only so long as convenient. I think this is a big thing, and one that in the end will ruin us as a society if we let it. There's something innately wrong about this constant rat-race I see in some friends where they effectively say "oh, there's something wrong with this partner that in my previous X relationships I didn't see before. let's go find another one". Modern communica…
A friend once told me to be very careful, because it’s too easy to compare your current parter to the best attributes of all previous ones. Ie she’s not as smart as Michelle and not as funny as Jane and not as considerate as Mary. Eventually, you start looking for the absolute best in every way, which is probably never going to exist
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>No need to risk half of my current assets and future income life is risk. marriage is a great way to de-risk many aspects of your life. 2x income for only 1.3x increased expenses. Easier debt/mortgage access. Support (financial/emotional) in case of illness or income loss. >other person, who probably doesn't like me very much anyways Marrying the right person is the key (hanging out with your best friend forever is…
>marriage is a great way to de-risk many aspects of your life. 2x income for only 1.3x increased expenses Then what happens when you get married, and your spouse soon quits their job or is fired because they're a terrible employee, and you didn't see signs of this while dating? Now you have 1.3x expenses on 1x income. Worse, what if your spouse is terrible at money management? Now you have 2-3x expenses on 1-2x incom…
Too much success can easily lead to failure, too much failure could actually lead to success if you learn.. Life is about up's and down's, I've lost so much over and over through bad circumstances (complicated deaths, parents with problems, etc) I find it mind boggling how much control people actually think they have in life. Sometimes you just get bad hands but that can be good sometimes as it can give you perspectives that others may miss out on. Empathy is something often hard earned.
So many people think if they just play life safe they will always be safe, and yeah I guess maybe. But for me, I see life has a best hope situation in general. Get lucky and good stuff might happen to you, Do your best to get lucky. I'm so used to instability in life, I personally find it amazing to realize how many people are in a blessed position to make/have friends, health, wealth and education, a happy family and such. And I'm sure so many would see my life as stable lol.
I think the best thing is to be thankful for everything you get because it might not last but is something worse because it doesn't last or is it better? A hot piece of bread is much better then one always cold because it's so short lived and a simple pleasure. Like life itself is short lived but I've been thankful for those things I've learned.
Even if bad stuff happens it's not the end of the world, because you are still alive. Though I know plenty wish that weren't alive, some being successful at getting their wish. It's understandable, a lot of life is painful and disappointing. I'm not married or anything but I can tell you from my own experience money is a tool sometimes you will have it, sometimes you won't but you can make do, health is a blessing sometimes you will have it, but when you don't you wish so much you did, friends are such a joy when you have them but they too might not last forever, family can be the same. When it comes to love, it's really a question of sacrifice. If you love someone sacrifice is much much easier. But I think it's hard for people to truly love. It's often painful and sometimes the rewards don't seem there. How much is their life really worth? But would you really leave people worse off? I think the movie A Wonderful Life is a good example of this. I think knowing people from other cultures and countries also makes you realize how wildly different life can be for people too.
I do plan to get married one day and I personally believe sharing everything is important because loss is to be expected so enjoy it while you can. Though I know many would find me a fool but everyone is a fool in their own way. I don't think of marriage as winning the lottery ticket but then again I think you are quite lucky to marry in the first place because quite a lot of people may never see the opportunity ever come up. Even though my parents marriage went up in flames and they both lost everything in it, I think I've learned a lot of what not to do lol. I don't blame marriage for their self destruction only their own expectations of what to expect out of life.
It was their attempts at control that caused such a spiral.
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Do you have a source for any of those claims? Higher divorce rate or rate of violence?
Divorced members of my local LDS church usually left the church soon after.
So you would likely end up with some level of bias based on whether the questions asked of past religious affiliation. (ie: does it sufficiently include former members)
For example, Pew Research's questions do not ask about past affiliation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220128113620/https://www.relig...
Here is a very old article based on data from 1999 which shows the LDS' divorce statistics are not very different from other Christian denominations. It includes a list of citations at the bottom of the page.
Hopefully this a bit more constructive than the previous thread.
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Statistically speaking, Mormons have one of the lowest rates of divorce among religions in America, at least when looking at marital status [1]. Only Hinduism has a lower rate of divorced individuals. That being said, I'm sorry that was your personal experience growing up. Statistics don't change the fact that individual experiences can really suck, and if it was the case that most of the Mormon membership around you…
Finally found out why!
https://web.archive.org/web/20220128113620/https://www.relig...
It is because of this now old article I read, about 10 or so years ago. I was still in the LDS back then.
But it is based on data from 1999 that points to the LDS having similar divorce rates to other Christian denominations.
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You seem to be describing a committed relationship? For me the significant markers of committed relationships were first moving in together, then perhaps buying a home together (in those places where that was still affordable), and then for those that wanted them and by far the most important having children together. Many of my friends and family have gotten married along the way too but it never felt like a big dea…
Marriage, apart from a nice opportunity of celebration, is a legal contract.
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Actually I think the laws in BC are becoming more progressive with nonmonogamous arrangements. I think there was a case recently where a judge split custody of a child between three people who were romantically involved, cohabitating, and raising the child. But generally you would only be considered common law in BC if you're in a conjugal relationship. In practice, if that becomes a point of contention (and I don't…
Yea, I've always found even the more progressive legal systems to be such that they're often, reasonably, less loose than most progressive cultures. I was discussing this with folks recently about Canada's proposed asylum class for trans/nonbinary folks. There's obviously folks who neatly fall into either category, just like how three people who live together and have a communal sexual relationship could be neatly co…
I believe BC law is pretty clear that people need to live together in order to be considered common law. I know marriage doesn't have the same requirement, but there is no legal marriage to multiple people at this moment.
I don't think that could practically work with multiple people, if one of those people isn't living with the others and/or sharing finances. But to be fair, I haven't given it much thought yet. If a person has multiple partners who are equally significant, they should ideally be legally entitled to equal benefits, but of course this opens up more nuance.
> It only gets more complex when you consider asexual people, who may have many close emotional relationships with no real strong "ranking" or "best friend" or "partner"
Perhaps you misunderstand what asexual means. Asexual people might have romantic relationships. They might be married. They might even have sex! It's a spectrum, but has very little to do with who you might date, and more to do with what kinds of activities you might want to do with a partner.
Aromantic people are less likely to have romantic partners, and therefore, I imagine, much less likely to be married.
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There is no state in the US that does not recognize a marriage by a judge or self-certified "minister" of no particular religious affiliation. There's also no requirement to be married in one's state of residence, or even country. It's absolutely trivial to arrange the legal status of marriage.
For many Americans, travelling out-of-state is a big deal. If its important enough many of them can make it happen, but many seem to have decided that formalizing their relationship in one legal category is not that important. There are other reasons why Americans might become less likely to choose one legal form for their marriage, like an American friend of the right-libertarian persuasion who does not just object…
Not sure I follow this at all - can you elaborate?
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"I know I’ve seen fiction where it requires little more than cohabitation" Emphasis mine. Merely stating you're husband and wife is "little more" in my book. It's pretty easy for people to think you're married, especially if you tell people you're husband and wife to make the conversation easier.
Yes, if you read that one sentence out of context of the immediately preceding one, and the post that the post it is in is responding to, I can understand your response. Can’t really understand doubling down on claiming it is relevant after having the relevant issue pointed out again, but, you know, you do you.
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"It takes months to recover and even after that you likely won't be at full performance like you were before the pregnancy. ... Quality of life is also quite terrible for the last while before giving birth, not just because of changes in physical size but also the lack of sleep and what a mental impact that could easily be described as mental illness if it wouldn't coincide with pregnancy." That's not a typical exper…
The extreme emphasis on monetary earnings is precisely the reason alimony exists. Not all labor is paid for with money. Emotional labor, child rearing, homemaking — these are difficult to quantify in monetary terms but certainly play a role in the “success” of the household.