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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by dagw »

hef19898 wrote: post #342
oblio wrote: post #331

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The thing is, these PR puff pieces aka submarine articles: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html are all everywhere for Tesla, like they are for Apple. I've seen entire sites dissect the Apple Watch or Apple mobile cameras, or Teslas. Their competitors are very comparable yet you have to hand it to Tesla, their behind the scenes PR game is through the roof.

Might very well turn out that premium OEMs big failure wasn't being late to the EV game, but failing to switch their behind the scenes marketing game from traditional print journalism, and the online versions of it, to online only, blog-like car journalism. Still digitalisation so, sure. And still linked to EVs, traditional car journalism still caters to a crowd of ICE fanatics, but overall much more a thing of marke…

but failing to switch their behind the scenes marketing game from traditional print journalism, and the online versions of it, to online only, blog-like car journalism.

Yea, I can't help to notice that my 13 year old, who on the whole knows and cares nothing about cars, thinks that Teslas are the coolest cars ever, has already decided that their first car will be a Tesla and wants our next car to be a Tesla. Brands like Merceds, BMW, Porsche etc. mean very little to them.

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Post by inferiorhuman »

Grazester wrote: post #411
inferiorhuman wrote: post #231

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I've a 20 year old BMW that's never given me any grief with the air suspension. Air suspension is not new technology and it wasn't new when my car was built.

Well, I have a relative that bought an x5 used. The vehicle was about 10 years old at the time and in good condition. In the precessing months the airbags fail(both rear I think). He lives in a country where parts are easy to come by for BMW's it's a mostly Japanese car market there. I had to ship him the airbags. He sold the thing right after installing them. I expected the airbags to be more expensive though.

Depending on the climate you'll start to see steel (coil and leaf) springs start to rust away by ten years. Meanwhile the Tesla S was introduced in 2012 which puts the majority of the problems in cars younger than your relative's X5.

The previous owner replaced the air bags (springs) on my car so I couldn't say if they actually failed or if he did as part of a refresh when he lowered the car. They're not super expensive, but the aftermarket ones are that much cheaper. Of course the X5 (especially the first generation) is one of the least reliable vehicles BMW's brought to market. It's the electronics and pump that get real pricey, but on the E39 they pretty much never fail.

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Post by Dalewyn »

perilunar wrote: post #393
Dalewyn wrote: post #348

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Cars haven't changed in any fundamental manner for the better part of a century at the very least, so no cars are not so-called "technology" at this point. Not even the EV fad, because electric vehicles predate cars powered by combustion engines. What has changed is the technology behind controlling those cars. On that front, it surprises me in absolutely no way that Tesla, an information technology company, does bus…

> Cars haven't changed in any fundamental manner for the better part of a century at the very least, so no cars are not so-called "technology" at this point. So only new technology is technology? What a daft definition.

>So only new technology is technology?

"Technology" in the sense as Hacker News uses it? Yes.

Unless you want to argue that Windows 3.11 and Blackberry and 8086 today are tech as in the tech industry.

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Post by ianai »

nindalf wrote: post #402
KennyBlanken wrote: post #397

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> The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, Most automakers have long since stopped basing their electric cars on platforms designed for ICE cars that have have EV components badly squeezed into whatever space they can 'find'. They've been making platforms designed specifically to include EV drivetrain components for a while, and many have shifted to EV-specific platforms. There's also lite…

> The Ford Lightning? It's largely based off the F150. Is it? Feels like it was designed to be an EV, considering it has a massive frunk.

Two things that seem in contention can be true at the same time. They made a sled for the EV, like ie common for EVs. They built the top of it to match the F150. Both true. I’d say it’s a full fledged EV design and an F150.

Just wish we had the battery breakthrough needed to give these vehicles some real range.

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Post by Goz3rr »

sytelus wrote: post #379
glitchc wrote: post #261

Much of this reflects the chip shortage that Toyota is facing, and how difficult new Corollas are to actually come by. The typical wait time for a Corolla is now 1 year+ in major urban centers of Canada.

How chip shortage still a thing? It’s not that car chips are 5nm even. Toyota should be able to put its weight just like Tesla does.

From what I remember, basically everything that isn't a phone or computer is on older process nodes that once were cutting edge. Some of these are so old that it doesn't make economic sense anymore to scale up capacity, or it might not even be possible anymore to easily do so.

As a result you have production lines that were reasonably well suited for demand pre-covid, now having to deal with everyone stocking up on way more parts than they need because they don't want to deal with shortages again.

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Post by 411111111111111 »

Animats wrote: post #142

It's encouraging to note that most model Y cars ("standard range") use lithium iron phosphate batteries, which have far fewer problem with fires than lithium iron. Energy density per kilogram of lithium iron phosphate batteries is lower, but has been improving slowly. Tesla had to buy the technology from BYD. I suspect that in a few years, batteries capable of thermal runaway will be prohibited. They're becoming unne…

> Tesla had to buy the technology from BYD.

I'd be terrified of driving a car with byd battery tech. There are countless videos of their cars just spontaneously combusting while driving on a road, sitting on a parking lot without charging etc...

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Post by hawski »

websap wrote: post #40
jacurtis wrote: post #29

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I love when people say this. Because it tells me that they have never actually driven a sports car before. When tesla owners say "sporty" they mean acceleration. Yes Teslas have mad acceleration. Not disputing that. But thats not a sporty drive. If anything thats more what you would get from a muscle car, which offers pure torque at the cost of basically everything else, which is what Tesla offers. Tesla isn't a spor…

Not really! As a customer, I could care less about how shifts work. With automatic transmission, whether it's CVT, Electronic, etc. is all gravy. Just give me an experience that makes me smile. For me personally, Teslas are some of the most fun cars I've ever driven. I've driven Mercedes C class and BMW 3 series. Teslas have way better acceleration, and the responsiveness of the steering is awesome for me.

Off topic: you mean "I couldn't care less". As David Mitchell once said: "If you could care less about something then all you're telling us is that you do care at least a little bit because you could care less.

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Post by x3874 »

sundvor wrote: post #384
jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

It might be "2 times as expensive" up front, but not for the TCO. People really need to remember maintenance costs over the ownership period. In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation / alignment / rubber replacements, and air filters. Plus the electricity, in place of fuel. The savings add up significantly.

Is this myth still lingering on? You have to pay a lot more on maintenace for Teslas: brake pads, shattered roofs, fogging taillights, broken control arms, drive units, worn out seats, MCUs, tail bumpers lost in the rain, ... that list goes on.

Provided Tesla can deliver spare parts, which they frequently can't for months, which is a story in itself (hint: having to support x iterations may work for SW, but not for cars that are on the road for 10+ years)

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Post by hef19898 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #423
perilunar wrote: post #393

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> Cars haven't changed in any fundamental manner for the better part of a century at the very least, so no cars are not so-called "technology" at this point. So only new technology is technology? What a daft definition.

>So only new technology is technology? "Technology" in the sense as Hacker News uses it? Yes. Unless you want to argue that Windows 3.11 and Blackberry and 8086 today are tech as in the tech industry.

Obviously not, they didn't spy on their users to show ads.

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Post by pulse7 »

fnord77 wrote: post #227
resolutebat wrote: post #173

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If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

The Kia EV6 is a ground up EV and is better in every way than the Model Y

EV6 has V2L while Model Y has no V2L... (V2L = Vehicle-to-Load = connect any electric appliance to your car with standard 110V/230V socket...)
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