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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by dumpHero2 »

egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

OR, only some teens will use VPN, others will look for alternatives such as Instagram reels.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by Matl »

amelius wrote: post #393
egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

Meanwhile nobody is speaking about the real enemy here, which is data-brokers who will gladly sell any data of US citizens to evil countries. We would be better served by a total ban on user tracking technologies.

'Evil countries' sounds so propagandized, but at least the pinnancle of democratic government won't do it. Oh wait. [1].

1- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/apps-are-selling-you...

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by Matl »

kranke155 wrote: post #413
egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

TikTok is evil. Let’s stop with the whataboutism

As 'evil' as FB is for example form my EU perspective.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by PurpleRamen »

vasco wrote: post #394
MadSudaca wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say establishing policies to reduce the use of TikTok in the population is the right move. What policies would you suggest?

What does the government have to do with what apps I use in my free time? Are they also going to force me to read nonfiction instead of fiction because it's "the right move"? This sounds like some dystopian crap. What committee decides which apps are good for you or not and how long is long enough?

> What does the government have to do with what apps I use in my free time?

Because it's literally their job: Protect the citizen. They may not do a good job all the time, most times they are even very bad. But nonetheless do they try and prevent most of the worst cases. And TikTok is so insane efficient in what it's doing, the line between benefit and harm is so thin, it could easily turn into a "worst case"-scenario if people don't observe it careful enough.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by bitlax »

egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

This wouldn't be one-for-one; most would be stymied by the higher barrier to entry or would already be using a VPN for other reasons.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by super256 »

screye wrote: post #285
barathr wrote: post #195

I wrote up a quick analysis last night here: https://ioc.exchange/@invisv/110387246627189198 Here are the takeaways: * It'd be easy for Apple and Google to prevent downloads of TikTok for most users, which would also include app updates, as they have a significant amount of knowledge of users' locations and could prevent most users in Montana -- even those using a VPN -- from downloading the app or updating it. * It'…

> side-loading of apps on Android 90%+ users are never going to use apks. If this ban kills the network effect (the R0 of the viral infection), then the last 10% aren't going to last long either.

I think the first thing that would happen is TikTok starting to develop a good PWA with native feeling which you can easily add to your Home Screen.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by Nanana909 »

egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

IMO this sounds a bit more like an argument for banning the "vast majority" of VPN apps on the Google/App stores apparently re-routing all traffic to enemies (though I'm skeptical) and less of an argument as to whether or not TikTok should be banned.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by Spooky23 »

kranke155 wrote: post #415
TeMPOraL wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be the specific harm of TikTok? Is it because of China, or because of this style of social media apps? If it's because of China, then ban TikTok and subsidize a competitor app - but be serious about it. Be ready to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on keeping the app free and servers up for years, sponsoring hundreds of content creators, dragging celebrities in to produce exclusive content, burning ton…

In a free market a ban should be enough for competitors and replacements to arise

Well, in a free market there’s no ban. Is the reason for the ban “dur dur China?”, or performative political theater?

Montanas politics are such that they you can’t find an OB to deliver a baby anymore, so any “free market” competitor needs to consider what random event will put them out of business.

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