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Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by mindcrime »

vi2837 wrote: post #249
candiddevmike wrote: post #174

I'm sad that we've lost the battle with calling these things AI. LLMs aren't AI, and I don't think they're even a path towards AI.

Yeah, what is named AI for now, is not AI at all.

Something doesn't need to be full human-level general intelligence to be considered as falling under the "AI" rubric. In the past people spoke of "weak AI" versus "strong AI" and/or "narrow AI" vs "wide AI" to reflect the different "levels" of AI. These days the distinction that most people use is "AI" vs "AGI" which you could loosely (very loosely) speaking think of as somewhat analogous to "weak and/or narrow AI" vs "strong, wide AI".

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by mindcrime »

brkebdocbdl wrote: post #350
shawabawa3 wrote: post #322

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If LLMs aren't AI nothing else is AI so far either What exactly does AI mean to you?

thanks for exemplifying the problem. intelligence is what allows one to understand phrases and then construct meaning from it. e.g. the paper is yellow. AI will need to have a concept of paper and yellow. and the to be verb. LLMs just mash samples and form a basic map of what can be throw in one bucket or another with no concept of anything or understanding. basically, AI is someone capable of minimal criticism. LLMs…

intelligence is what allows one to understand phrases and then construct meaning from it. e.g. the paper is yellow.

That's one, out of many, definitions of "intelligence". But there's no particular reason to insist that that is the definition of intelligence in any universal, objective sense. Especially in terms of talking about "artificial intelligence" where plenty of people involved in the field will allow that the goal is not necessarily to exactly replicate human intelligence, but rather simply to achieve behavior that matches "intelligent behavior" regardless of the mechanism behind it.

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Post by hellojesus »

sangnoir wrote: post #384
hellojesus wrote: post #375

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There is no way to stop self hosted models. The best would be to send gov to data centers, but what if those centers are outside US jurisdiction? Too funny to watch the gov play these losing games.

> There is no way to stop self hosted models. edit: Current models- sure, but they will soon be outdated. I think the idea is to strangle the development of comparable, SoTA models in the future that individuals can self-host; OpenAI certainly won't release their weights, and they'd want the act of releasing weights without a license to be criminalized. If such a law is signed, it would remove the threat of smaller A…

I thought we got away from knowledge distribution embargos via 1A during the encryption era.

Even if it passed, I find it hard to believe a bunch of individuals couldn't collaborate via distributed training, which would be almost impossible to prohibit. Anyone could mask their traffic or connect to anon US VPN to circumvent it. The demand will be there to outweigh the risk.

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Post by paulcole »

captainkrtek wrote: post #308
paulcole wrote: post #278

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Also that he knows how inefficient and dumb government is. By the time the regulations are in place they won't matter one iota.

Think most of congress needs help from their grandchildren to use a computer or smartphone, pretty sure they don’t understand one bit of this.

Right, that's the point. Whatever he tells them now will be useless by the time they understand it.

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Post by wetpaws »

lm28469 wrote: post #86
logicallee wrote: post #51

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>Imagine thinking that regression based function approximators are capable of anything other than fitting the data you give it. Are you aware that you are an 80 billion neuron biological neural network?

And this is why I always hate how computer parts are named with biological terms.... a neural network's neuron doesn't share much with a human brain's neuron Just like a CPU isn't "like your brain" and HDD "like your memories" Absolutely nothing says our current approach is the right one to mimic a human brain

Internal differences do not necessary translate to conceptual differences. Combustion engine and electric engine do the same job despite operating on completely different internal principles. (Yes, it might not be a perfect an analogy, but it illustrates the point.)

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Post by uses »

"he's just doing this to hinder competition"

It's true that AI regulation would, in fact, hinder OpenAI's competition.

But... isn't lobbying for regulation also what Sam would do if he genuinely thought that LLMs were powerful, dangerous technology that should be regulated?

If you don't think LLMs/AI research should be regulated, just say that. I don't see how Sam's motives are relevant to that question.

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Post by ttymck »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #354
alephnerd wrote: post #343

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Feel free to call their office but they won't get the message let alone escalate it. Source: manned phones fielding constituent calls earlier in my career.

> manned phones fielding constituent calls earlier in my career Local or legislative? I've never met a Senator's leg team that doesn't compile notes on active issues from constituents upstream. (Granted, it's a handful of teams.)

Which senator's leg teams have you met?

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Post by theGnuMe »

nico wrote: post #151
bilekas wrote: post #16

This is so stupid its exactly what you would expect in congress. If this was to go through, of course OpenAI and co will be the primary lobbiests to ensure they get to define the filters for such a license. Also how would you even enforce this. It's absolute nonsense and is a clear indicator that these larger companies realize there is no 'gatekeeping' these AI's, that the democratization of models has demonstrated i…

It is nonsense, yet a similar thing happened recently with texting Before Twilio et al, if you wanted to text a lot of your customers automatically, you had to pay thousands of dollars in setup and recurrent fees to rent a shortcode number But then, with Twilio et al, you don’t need a shortcode anymore The telcos told the regulators this would create endless spam, so they would regulate it themselves, and created a c…

they can't even stop robocalls.
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