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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by smsm42 »

BenSahar wrote: post #376
jmull wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder if all the many commenters who had preemptively blamed homeless or poor people for this would change their mind in the light of this, You should understand that San Fransisco has serious problems with homelessness and crime. While some people may have been mistaken about the root cause in this particular case, that doesn't invalidate their very real concerns. > all tech executives to be forcibly housed in…

>You should understand that San Fransisco has serious problems with homelessness and crime. While some people may have been mistaken about the root cause in this particular case, that doesn't invalidate their very real concerns. I don't doubt they have concerns. I doubt their ability to reason.

Using a single case as if it defines whether or not a massive systemic problem exists is not "ability to reason". It's ability to score gotchas on the internet. It's not the same thing.

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Post by politician »

RC_ITR wrote: post #310
cemerick wrote: post #172

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The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

I didn't like the direction of this comment. All cities are good and bad in their own way for the people that live there.

It might be helpful for you to take a class on gun safety to reduce the anxiety you have about seeing guns. Remember, the police also open carry because peaceful open carry is primarily about deterrence.

Brandishing a weapon is legally different from open carry, and is already a crime. Brandishing means to draw or exhibit the weapon in a threatening manner, or to use it in a fight, other than in lawful self-defense.

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Post by dj_gitmo »

This is perfect for a "ripped from the headlines" episode of Law and Order. They basically already did one like this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS14E... The second act could hang on a chorus of techie bum-haters.

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Post by ActorNightly »

Aeolun wrote: post #221
reddog wrote: post #143

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> including current faves Austin and Miami Austin has 2.57 murders and nonnegligent manslaughters per 100K. Same year, SF has 6.35 per 100K. So SF is twice as bad as Austin. Your right about Miami though. But 6.35 isn't bad. The murder rate in St Louis (for comparision to the US city with the worst) is 66.07 per 100K. And Colima Mexico (worst in the world maybe) is 182 murders per 100K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

For comparison, Japan has 0.3, the UK has 1.1 and France has 1.3. I know they’re in the linked table, just wanted to mention that even the best city in the US is still relatively bad.

Birmingham UK has way higher numbers

https://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Birmingham_homicides_by_year

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Post by hindsightbias »

screye wrote: post #300
cemerick wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

On the other hand, I feel like it takes an incredibly public tragedy for a platform for HN to tolerate any discussions around SF crime. People want to talk about crime, drugs & homelessness all the time. It is only in high profile cases where the issues seem topical, that HN can't discourage discussion around them. > quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities I don't see why speaking out about lack of polic…

You must have some filter on. There are literally thousands of HN posts in the last few years about housing and crime and hundreds of which devolved into the dystopian hellhole memes endemic in the HN ideosphere.

The quickest path to karma at HN is to post anything about BA housing.

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Post by dmix »

patcon wrote: post #266
danso wrote: post #108

The SF-is-a-hellhole narrative is compelling, but the report that Lee was not the victim of a random crime shouldn't have been surprising. The FBI says 40+% of murders are committed by a family member or acquaintance, and 10% by total strangers: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

fwiw, there are two SF-is-a-hellhole narratives, and this turn of events reflects differently through the prism of each: - narrative A (looking "up"): where the upper-class technologists are the reason for the social precarity-based hellscape experienced by the lower-class residents - narrative B (looking "down"): where the crime of the lower-class is the cause of the fearful crime-based hellscape experienced by the…

Everyone is a victim of this stuff, not just the upper class. Poor people getting to work having their car windows smashed multiple times is a serious issue. But the constant drumbeat of property crime, dirtiness, and leud acts in public it gets downplayed because the murder rate is less than it was during some prior horrible time in the city's history and people feel some need to defend their own city (and the particular sort of politics it's famous for).

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Post by gowld »

kaycebasques wrote: post #362
JieJie wrote: post #268

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This is great writing, "the abrupt closure of the mid-market Whole Foods, leaving San Franciscans just eight other Whole Foods within city limits". What a scoop, brilliantly delivered.

Edit: I thought that this comment was tangential and sarcastic but I was incorrect.

It's a quote from the article. You might have missed it.

https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-killing-arrest-made...

It's an expression of appreciation for the author's saracastic humor, reporting on the thinness of evidence for anti-SF commentary, a major theme of the OP article.

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Post by handoflixue »

ajross wrote: post #392
stickfigure wrote: post #135

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It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

And as other folks in this topic are pointing out, anecdotes like that are simply misleading. San Francisco is not a high crime US city. Period. It is not. It is middle-of-the-pack at worst. Nor is it getting "worse faster". It saw a crime wave across the pandemic that is receding now, just like most of the world. It's just wrong. You're wrong. Any narrative to the effect of "SF is unsafe because of ..." is wrong, be…

> SF is not unsafe in any measurable way.

Well, no. SF is not unsafe in any measured way. You can easily observe from this thread, anecdotally, the police routinely ignore people shouting threats and other crimes. It's entirely possible that if we actually measured all of those, and counted them as the crimes that they are, that SF would look remarkably worse.

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Post by okdood64 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #396

People don't talk often about it, but there's quite a bit of crime (including violent crime) that goes on in the Bay's big-money sector. I guess this shouldn't be surprising (power corrupts), but it sure does seem like people feel uncomfortable talking about how many tech execs end up poisoned by heroin from a prostitute or under investigation for a 30-year-old murder or dead in a workplace shooting.

> sure does seem like people feel uncomfortable talking about how many tech execs end up poisoned by heroin from a prostitute

Source?

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Post by bradlys »

jzellis wrote: post #187

When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…

> Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go

I think part of this is not realizing that a lot of the locals (the previous colonizers) are part of the problem. I can guarantee that the colonizers would love for more housing to be built in SF because they don't want to pay $2m for a 2bd townhouse either.

A huge portion of the SF "colonizer" demographic can't even fucking vote. They're all on visas.

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