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The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by alex_sf »

olalonde wrote: post #418
alex_sf wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No-coiners are exhausting. More than naive cryptobros? > Bitcoin triggers a deep psychological anxiety in some people and their reaction is to construct these defensive arguments in their heads about why Bitcoin is stupid, a scam, useless, etc. It is obviously stupid, slow, and wasteful. Ignoring all the other problems with cryptocurrencies, just on those three axes ETH is superior. > If in another 10 years it cont…

To be blunt, you have no idea of what you're talking about and should refrain from commenting on a topic you clearly don't understand. You're all over the place and clearly letting your emotions take over reason.

Another great point. Truly insightful.

This is the level of discourse adults experience from cryptobros, and it's why no-one except other cryptobros actually take you seriously.

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by nier »

galaxyLogic wrote: post #411
zakki wrote: post #23

It will be wild if Steve Jobs is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Isn't is a bit like comparing Donald Trump to Jesus Christ? Bitcoin was a genius invention, but did Steve Jobs ever invent anything, except perhaps some great sales pitches? Steven Jobs marketed himself, Satoshi did not. Not to say Jobs wasn't a great guy but I know many great guys who never could have invented bitcoin.

It depends. This article may answer your question in more depth: https://www.npr.org/2012/05/13/152590769/for-steve-jobs-pate...

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by nier »

galaxyLogic wrote: post #410

Why can't they clean up their OS distribution. This kind of content clearly does not belong there at least if it is practically hidden in there. There should be a reason why every file in the OS distribution is there. This kind of looks like Apple does not know what is in their OS. What else is there?

«A little bird tells me that someone internally filed it as an issue nearly a year ago, assigned to the same engineer who put the PDF there in the first place, and that person hasn’t taken action or commented on the issue since. They’ve indicated it will likely be removed in future versions.»

Source: https://waxy.org/2023/04/the-bitcoin-whitepaper-is-hidden-in...

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by olalonde »

alex_sf wrote: post #421
olalonde wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be blunt, you have no idea of what you're talking about and should refrain from commenting on a topic you clearly don't understand. You're all over the place and clearly letting your emotions take over reason.

Another great point. Truly insightful. This is the level of discourse adults experience from cryptobros, and it's why no-one except other cryptobros actually take you seriously.

You are the one making sexist comments, spreading misinformation and using insults... If you have concerns about Bitcoin or wish to express your personal dislike for it, there are certainly valid points to be made without resorting to fabrications or personal attacks.

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

alex_sf wrote: post #420
tempera wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sending money on the internet without a trusted third-party. I think that's revolutionary.

There is a ton of trusted third parties involved. You're trusting: - The KYC of your exchange, and any exchange in the coins path - The wallet you're using - The recipient to provide the correct address - The exchange rate And you're trusting all of that hasn't been tampered with, which involves even more trusted parties. It requires an order of magnitude less trust to send cash in the mail. It's cheaper, too.

Maybe take others advice and stop commenting on this topic because everything you said is wrong. I’ll contradict all your points using specific personal examples of my usage.

I’ve bought Bitcoin many times without any KYC. In old days localbitcoins and these days ATMs in many countries.

There aren’t any “exchange in the coins path”. I’ve exchanged paper fiat currency at Starbucks, in a hotel lobby.

The wallets I use are open source 100%. In fact I’ve personally written a python script to manually generate a transaction to broadcast. There is no third party. only your operating system, the internet connection and the source code. In that particular case I was using NixOS linux and so my operating system was also open source. I also broadcast my transaction over the ToR network so my internet provider and the Bitcoin network has no visibility.

Now onto usefulness. By holding Bitcoin I’ve preserved and grown my wealth. But how has it been used practically. Lets see.

- yesterday I bought my lunch for my wife and I, $21 using by Bitpay debit card. I loaded the card 2 mins before with those dollars by sending Litecoin which was auto exchanged by Bitpay at exactly the current exchange rate and with no fee. I exchange Bitcoin for small amounts Litecoin periodically as Litecoin is fast and cheap to send for small payments. Savings vs Checking.

- Years ago I met an artist from Argentina on an internet forum. She was painting what I thought were nice paintings. She was selling professional prints of those. I sent her Bitcoin and she sent me the prints. I’ve framed them and they hang in my home. I get many compliments on them.

- I’ve hired a developer in Crimea to work on a security software and he was paid for his work in Bitcoin

- When my sister in law had a baby shower I bought all the gifts at Buy Buy Baby using a digital gift card purchased 30 mins earlier using Bitcoin.

I could actually go on and on and on. But clearly you don’t have experience or understanding of what you are discussing as you proposed sending cash in the mail, which I don’t know anyone who would do that.

Bitcoin is revolutionary and has a decent shot at bringing fiat government currencies to their knees so they are forced to act responsibly and not brr brr money print.

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by Sevastopol »

Im_your_dada wrote: post #426

What if China manufcature added it to test apples security flaws ? How does apple even control that ? This cant be good for apple

You're paranoid.

A manufacturer doesn't need to test anything like this. They already have physical access to the devices before they are even set up.

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by crtasm »

simondotau wrote: post #414
crtasm wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are other photographs of similar provenance in widespread use as test images in places of work/education/research? If not, in what way is this image being singled out?

That’s not the point. It’s being singled out among the millions of instances where very slightly racy depictions of women have entered into mainstream culture. Except in this instance it never did break into mainstream culture; it was only ever a meme among a comically narrow set of programmers and researchers. Bringing mainstream attention to it was an extreme example of the Streisand Effect.

You seem to have the idea that the intended outcome was to prevent people seeing the image (it's going to be online forever, no chance of that), while I believe it was for people to stop using it in the places I described, as a part of scientific papers, etc., and help bring about a wider discussion of such imagery.

e.g. see the final quote in this piece https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/arts-entertainment/ho...

Forsén was interviewed in a documentary that featured the image. The entire point of which was to bring more attention to the fact the image existed and how it had been/was being used. Claiming this is an example of the Streisand effect is nonsense.

I'd be interested to hear what other specific images you feel should be getting a similar amount of discussion.

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by RestlessMind »

brabel wrote: post #336
RestlessMind wrote: post #76

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And also to fight oppressive governments. Compiled some examples here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32406095 Though those governments would love people like you who paint all the use cases as "organized crime, terrorism" etc

From your linked article on Russian opposition: "We use bitcoin because it’s a good legal means of payment. The fact that we have bitcoin payments as an alternative helps to defend us from the Russian authorities. They see if they close down other more traditional channels, we will still have bitcoin. It’s like insurance." They even use Paypal and card transfers for donations... Bitcoin is just another payment they a…

> but they don't say it anywhere that's been the only way

Sure but if it wasn't significant, they wouldn't have mentioned it.

> so far has not been shown to be more government-resilient as I am sure getting the money out from the blockchain is not going to be easy if the Government doesn't like the idea

It seems you have no idea how bitcoin works then. All you have to do is memorize 12 words. You can then take your wealth to many corners of the world, some of which will be free from the tyranny of your government and still have an ecosystem which will let you cash out your bitcoin for the local currency. A good example - Dubai, where a lot of real estate is being purchased in crypto by the Russians fleeing the war.

Re: The Bitcoin whitepaper is hidden in every copy of macOS

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Post by simondotau »

crtasm wrote: post #428
simondotau wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not the point. It’s being singled out among the millions of instances where very slightly racy depictions of women have entered into mainstream culture. Except in this instance it never did break into mainstream culture; it was only ever a meme among a comically narrow set of programmers and researchers. Bringing mainstream attention to it was an extreme example of the Streisand Effect.

You seem to have the idea that the intended outcome was to prevent people seeing the image (it's going to be online forever, no chance of that), while I believe it was for people to stop using it in the places I described, as a part of scientific papers, etc., and help bring about a wider discussion of such imagery. e.g. see the final quote in this piece https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/arts-entertainment/ho...…

The documentary is literally called "Losing Lena" and tried to advocate for the removal of a meme image from an academic context. And it did so by immensely amplifying its exposure in a mainstream context.

The supposedly "deeper" part of their argument is even more pathetic, maternalistic, infantilising nonsense. Are they seriously claiming that women are so fragile that they will forego pursuit of their intellectual passion because sometimes, some academic papers use the image of a women wearing a fancy hat and bare shoulders? What a low view of women these documentarians have. What a vile insult to half the population.

I can only imagine that the movie was made by freak puritanical zealots who would literally explode if they ever saw a television advertisement for shampoo. And these zealots seem to have zero concept of how technology works. The movie's tagline falsely claims that "There's a secret hidden in almost every website and every digital image you've ever seen." The fact that anyone took it seriously is itself a sick joke.

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