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Post by 7speter »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #351
7speter wrote: post #334

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Gnome keeps me off of pop. I look forward to the popos team are ready to ship cosmic as the default desktop. Have you tried OpenSuse Tumbleweed or Gecko Linux? Tumbleweed is a rolling distro but the maintainers apparently test all of the updates they push. OpenSuse can feel a but clunky (it asks for passwords for “everything” for instance), but theres Gecko, which acts a bit as a wrapper of a distro to make OpenSuse…

I don't understand the hate for gnome, but xfce / kde / i3 or whatever is just a sudo apt install away. I've heard good things about tumbleweed and it even has support for WSL, so I might try that if I ever build a gaming pc and have to main windows.

Regarding gnome, I personally don’t like that you have to install browser extensions to change settings on the ui.

I’ve tried adding desktop environments to a pop installation, but I really don’t like having all of the apps included with other desktop environments cluttering the taskbar menu and the like.

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Post by josteink »

Gracana wrote: post #184
CalRobert wrote: post #165

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Snaps are getting me off Desktop Ubuntu after 12 years of happily using it.

Same here. I was a happy Ubuntu desktop user for over a decade. Now I’m a happy Arch user.

It’s pretty much a meme at this point, but yeah. Snaps just finally did it in for me.

I’ve switched all my laptops and workstations from Ubuntu to Arch.

There are rough edges here too, but on overall I’m much happier. I feel like I know how my machine works again. Ubuntu lately has been giving me that windowsy feeling with lots of things running for god knows what reason.

Also in arch the repos seems to not only contain more current versions of things. They seem to bundle more things altogether.

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Post by tinus_hn »

evol262 wrote: post #335
tinus_hn wrote: post #135

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Mac and iPhone apps don’t automatically update unless you tell them to. The goal of systemd is to make everyone do everything the way Lennart Poettering likes it on his personal laptop. Perhaps some of it is nice but also some of it is not nice. And his holier and smarter than thou attitude is off putting and rightly so. And don’t handwave away wasting my resources just so you can avoid work. That’s how we end up wit…

The goal of systemd as an *init system* is not the same thing as the goal of some of the systemd umbrella projects, and they shouldn't be conflated. systemd as an init system is leaps and bounds ahead of sysvinit, openrc, and upstart for distro maintainers, large scale sysadmins, etc. No more need for supervisord, random scripts to flag off and on was part of VPN connection, convoluted "meta" scripts which carefully…

Some interesting gaslighting here, complaints about the forced systemd ecosystem can be deflected by pointing at the init system. Which, just like the rest of the ecosystem, improves some parts and deteriorates others like the absolutely worthless journaling log replacement.

Anyway I’m not about to engage the systemd evangelization task force, thanks. Good luck elsewhere.

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Post by pmontra »

wankle wrote: post #292
pmontra wrote: post #246

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I moved to Debian 11 and recreated exactly the same quite customized GNOME desktop I had on Ubuntu 20.04. Nothing is missing except snaps.

I've had issues recently with WiFi on multiple different machines on Debian 11 and switched back to Ubuntu, is WiFi working for you?

WiFi is working for me even if I mostly use the Ethernet card.

lshw tells me

  description: Wireless interface
  product: Centrino Advanced-N 6235
  vendor: Intel Corporation
I'm using the iwlwifi driver.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by rlpb »

Avamander wrote: post #315
rlpb wrote: post #291

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> It's insane how long it takes them to fix bugs in their auto-update mechanism they've forced on everyone. You can disable auto-updates with eg. "snap refresh --hold firefox". See: https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date#heading--... Though not taking security updates for Firefox seems like a very dangerous thing to do.

That command works on snapd 2.58+, even Ubuntu 22.10 still ships 2.57.5 unless you've gotten extra channels enabled. It's a very new addition after people being pissed for years. I suspect most people would be fine without hold if the auto-update would be seamless. Years ago it literally unmounted applications' storage abruptly, sessions and databases still open... Not well thought-out.

snapd 2.58 is available as an update recommended by default on Ubuntu going all the way back to 18.04. A standard "apt update && apt upgrade" will give you it. Unless you've gone out of your way to turn updates off.

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Post by jzb »

BossingAround wrote: post #215
jzb wrote: post #112

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Upstart’s CLA was a non-starter. Canonical has quite a history of the behavior you're dinging Red Hat for: Mir, Unity, LXD, Juju/Charms, Launchpad, and I'm sure I'm forgetting several. Also it’s Orwellianly named “Harmony” effort to popularize CLAs because Canonical has long sought to control upstream technologies - and consistently failed because they do not play well with others.

Just to add to those wondering, CLA = Contributor License Agreement.

Ah, yes. Thank you - sorry for assuming on that one. I tend to get lazy when replying on my phone...

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

hedora wrote: post #357
Spooky23 wrote: post #318

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My favorite fail with Ubuntu is every version changes how DNS configuration works.

This was my last straw. I installed some 6 month old LTS release, and it had to go through a 2-5 second timeout step on the initial lookup of each new dns name. Then, it would populate a local cache, and work well until the TTL expired or whatever. Anyway, if you are looking for a noob distro, I recommend manjaro. (The AUR packages are extremely unstable, but other than that, it’s pretty competitive with what Ubuntu…

> manjaro

Is Manjaro really that noob-friendly? All I know about Manjaro is that it's based on Arch, which I always understood as being the LEAST noob-friendly distro besides LFS.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by sounds »

The solution used by Linux Mint seems apt:

    cd /etc/apt/preferences.d/
    cat nosnap.pref
    # To prevent repository packages from triggering the installation of Snap,
    # this file forbids snapd from being installed by APT.
    # For more information: https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html

    Package: snapd
    Pin: release a=*
    Pin-Priority: -10

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Post by kej »

GlumWoodpecker wrote: post #419
webkike wrote: post #400

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I haven't had trouble with drivers using Fedora in years. RPM fusion handles Nvidia drivers just fine. It's a far cleaner and "noob friendly" distro in my opinion, so long as you're able to google "how to install nvidia drivers fedora"

This is mostly just a Debian problem, due to their "no non-free software" philosophy, which extends to device drivers. I have never in my days booted a Debian install that worked with wifi out of the box, and I suspect I never will, due to that philosophy.. For that reason, I've stopped trying and I default to Ubuntu (-based) distros instead. All it takes to get rid of snaps forever is `sudo apt purge snapd`.

In the past you could use the images from here [0] to get installs with wifi firmware, but future versions will have it included in the official images. They've worked out of the box on almost all recent (last 5-10 years) systems I've tried it with.

[0] https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images...

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Post by conor- »

eYrKEC2 wrote: post #390
friend_and_foe wrote: post #263

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

Call me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.

I feel like hunting down drivers hasn't been an issue on Linux for any relatively modern machine I've run in over 10 years.

If it really is something that you have had problems with, maybe try PopOS instead of Debian. The restricting non-free repos by default out of principle with Debian can sometimes get annoying when you need to install certain non-free drivers (looking at you Nvidia), but PopOS is a really well-polished ootb experience that is trivial to install. Second to PopOS for a set it and forget it experience, OpenSUSE is a rock-solid distro that does not seem to get much praise.

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