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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by dimaor »

krisoft wrote: post #322
dimaor wrote: post #236

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as a hobby music producer, this thing make me sick :) actually I think this problem started earlier, with many _musicians_ using pre made beats and auto tune. right now it just takes it to a whole other level. music should be a tool of expression, not one to gain fame & social acceptance

> music should be a tool of expression, not one to gain fame & social acceptance I don’t get it then why you care, let alone care enough to make you feel sick. Nobody is stopping you from using music as a tool of expression. You do you, yam in your basement or wherever you want. I bet that you will find like minded people who appreciate what you do, but even if not you yourself are saying “music should not be a tool…

I guess I over exaggerated due to fast typing. it does not _make me sick_ I just don't understand the reason.

a bit of context: I've been producing music for ~15 years now, purely as a hobby (due to incompetence on my part to up a level).

I have friends which I helped and collaborated with for years on and off, and some of them seem to me like they are stuck in a loop of wanting to succeed without actually expressing themselves. they seem to be stuck in the mode of _this is how it's done, and this is what I want and anything else is incorrect_.

even when there are many other options to make it sound better and make it richer.

so correction: what makes me _sick_ is the fact that some people try to copy other successful musicians without even considering doing something original, purely because they want the same level of _fame and success_.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by jeppester »

JanneVee wrote: post #413
jeppester wrote: post #354

This very well sums up the anxiety I have about how this is going to affect programming. That any creativity and understanding will be sucked out and replaced with prompt engineering. I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really un…

> I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really understands, but that it won't matter much. Really? If you have a million dollar bug because of one edge case and you are going to go to your AI and ask it to try again?

I think that's going to be a very likely scenario. And the AI will very likely be able to fix the issue.

I just don't want to work that way, as what I enjoy most about programming is understanding things.

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Post by Dma54rhs »

danjac wrote: post #218
nomilk wrote: post #179

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> This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Jobs have been disappearing at a high rate for at least a couple of generations now, and have steadily been replaced with new ones, often high paying ones. We can't control which jobs are in high, low, and no demand, so we're best off swimming with the current, whichever way it flows. 1. Accept that professions come and go. 2. Expect jobs to dis…

3. Look forward to an awesome new job after your current one is made obsolete. You do realize that "awesome new job" will require years of training and experience? Enjoy working at the Amazon Fulfilment Center in the meantime (until of course that's automated too).

Its been like that forever. Factory workers had to adapt when the jobs went to Asia. I don't see how comfortable office guys should get any other treatment.

It used to be learn to code then maybe learn to weld or plumb it something that is harder to automate away.

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Post by emoII »

code_witch_sam wrote: post #367
mattlondon wrote: post #358

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It will probably end up being more "test driven development"-like. Write your tests/expectations and the tooling automatically prompts/writes the code to meet the tests.

why not have a system to write the tests as well?

Won't the prompt itself be the test? TDD is literally just providing an expected output on a given input, before implementing the functionality. The prompt we give AIs follows the same pattern, "I have a data that looks like ___, visualize it in a graph that ____"

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Post by erikstarck »

Probably for all the unimportant NPCs running around in a game, AI does a good enough job. But for the main characters and the plot, I suspect a human touch is still needed. Climb up the value chain. If you're cranking out monsters in volume, you're at the bottom.

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Post by jongjong »

That's the risk of participating in a completely new industry... You don't know how long it's going to last; it has no track record. It reminds me of my own career as a software developer. I self-taught myself coding since I was 14 in 2004. I'm from a relatively small town and nobody in my family had a tech background or even knew anyone with a tech background. So it was quite a stretch/unlikely for me to become a developer. I would spent my lunch breaks in the school library; sometimes coding by myself on library computers. My dad thought I was wasting my time. Back then, the only people making any money in tech in my town were developing websites for local businesses and it wasn't very profitable. My dad wanted me to be a lawyer.

I feel like I did many things right; I got into web development early (while most of the jobs were still for programming for desktop PCs), I was an early adopter of Node.js, I went to university and did a course on AI/Machine learning. I launched a popular open source project. But somehow it never worked out for me financially; I was never accepted into any fast-growing company, my popular project was big among startups but didn't gain enough traction in the corporate sphere (where it could have been monetized). Now AI is threatening the entire profession.

I think my dad was right, I should have been a lawyer and done software development as a hobby.

The only silver lining that I cling onto is that my main interest has been software architecture and higher level systems/infrastructure thinking. So far, AI hasn't shown itself to be able to effectively solve higher level software architecture/design problems. It's great at answering questions, but not at asking (the right) questions which is what software architecture is about.

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Post by jacquesm »

Applejinx wrote: post #407
anonyfox wrote: post #252

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How about striding for one of the core societal values that make many advanced democraties (including the European nordics) so much better/happier than the US? It’s called Equality. Insert strong progressive taxes, especially on wealth, and use it to fund a strong public sector, so _everyone_ has as access to basic goods and services for free, like education/health/transport/… . I think you vastly underestimate how m…

Yup. One of the things that's going to become starkly obvious is this: being in ownership of the money machine doesn't entitle you to power and compensation matching the output of that machine. Feedback loops set in. If you need X amount of power and Y amount of resources to get it going, but it pays you enough for X times 2 power and Y times 5 resources, the first person to get the machine cranking becomes a human v…

Morally comparing order of magnitude I don't really see the difference between any of your examples. They're all structurally lacking in empathy and every one of those would sell their mother if it got them ahead in the game.

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Post by pharmakom »

testHNac wrote: post #244

Reading some of the comments about coding and AI got me thinking. Can modern AI come up with new Javscript libraries, Open source projects, Browser Specifications etc The new way of doing things that improve things. When most people start using AI to make their work easier. Then very few people will develop the competency to create new things, innovate. At some point will that cause progress to slow down ?

It’s gonna be tough as a junior dev in the near future. I’m very grateful that I managed to upskill so much before all this happens. In the worst case, I’ll have a crappy job directing and debugging AI output… but in the best case, we have reached AGI.

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Post by pharmakom »

sjaak wrote: post #131

What happens to us when AI becomes better than us at every mental task? Ignoring the economic factors, what does that mean for our self worth? If we know it’s easier to ask a machine to do it, will we stop doing everything? Can we reframe our purpose and just be content living? (Above quote from: https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1639368422763970562 )

We will become a leisure society. Honestly that sounds great to me.

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Post by jacquesm »

ChatGTP wrote: post #408
anonyfox wrote: post #394

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I cannot imagine being rich and be surrounded by homeless people, crime, drugs and the like. The only „solution“ that still avoids realizing the problem is to try to escape into gated communities and shoot those plebs coming too close, ideally robots so no human is at fault conveniently. Or what useful is having that mercedes when most others want to steal or at least damage it? I, for one, prefer to treat other huma…

When you think about it, All wealth, every single bit of it has come from the same earth we’re all born on. This is the one truth which binds us all, including the AI, it’s too a child of this Earth, which means all people should have fairly equal access to at least basic protections the Earth provides us with. That’s all there really is to say about it.

Yes! The world where you end up in a random position with zero influence over the outcome if you could pick it before you were born is the one you should strive to create. That one has true equality.
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