Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

youtube.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

421–430 of 434 posts

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#421

Post by davidy123 »

tssva wrote: post #155
davidy123 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get at least 5h on a Thinkpad T14s (Ryzen 6850U), without tweaking, using "balanced" mode. I know some people think 5h is not enough, but it's plenty for a full day of work. If the System 76 system was Intel based, that might have been the problem, AMD has been way ahead of them for power usage in the last few years.

I have a Thinkpad T495 which is also AMD based. When I 1st got it battery life was atrocious under Linux. Kernel release 5.17 greatly helped battery life. Now it is just horrible even with TLP installed. The battery life under Windows is about double what I get when running Linux. It isn't the only but is the main reason I run Windows and not Linux as my main os on it.

That's more than three generations older than the 6850U I'm using. It predates the M1 release. It's only a few years ago that we could expect decent battery life without tweaking on Linux, probably just after the T495 series. (-: These days, tweaking with TLP &c could yield worse battery life, in my experience.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#423

Post by dekhn »

asveikau wrote: post #307
Blikkentrekker wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation with Wayland is actually worse than this by far.

Not sure what you mean. But at any rate, Wayland is completely optional. You can keep running X and nobody will stop you. People will keep running X without issue for a very long time. This is very different from what the Apple world is like.

I fully expect that when Wayland is completely deprecated, X will still be running in critical situations.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#424

Post by tssva »

davidy123 wrote: post #421
tssva wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Thinkpad T495 which is also AMD based. When I 1st got it battery life was atrocious under Linux. Kernel release 5.17 greatly helped battery life. Now it is just horrible even with TLP installed. The battery life under Windows is about double what I get when running Linux. It isn't the only but is the main reason I run Windows and not Linux as my main os on it.

That's more than three generations older than the 6850U I'm using. It predates the M1 release. It's only a few years ago that we could expect decent battery life without tweaking on Linux, probably just after the T495 series. (-: These days, tweaking with TLP &c could yield worse battery life, in my experience.

I guess we have different definitions of "the last few years".

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#425

Post by asveikau »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #418
asveikau wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what you mean. But at any rate, Wayland is completely optional. You can keep running X and nobody will stop you. People will keep running X without issue for a very long time. This is very different from what the Apple world is like.

> Not sure what you mean. Many of the things one can at least ask permissions for as I read it on the Apple system are actually purposefully simply not available due to similar concerns. Many of the leading Wayland developers believe in this. The Enlightenment lead developer for instance does not believe a programmatic way to make screenshots or listen to keypresses should ever exist. I had some debates with him abou…

>> People will keep running X without issue for a very long time

> Opinions are divided on that matter.

I feel like those holding the opposite opinion are pretty clearly wrong and it seems to be some kind of hubris. Fortunately their opinion is not binding.

> The reality is that many of the developers of Xorg have abandoned in in lieu of Wayland and many Wayland developers,

Not an issue. It doesn't need a lot of maintenance. It's "done". Source is available too. Just needs minimal effort to keep the lights on. As long as someone is interested in running it, as many will be, it will happen.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#426

Post by lapcat »

lapcat wrote: post #417
dcow wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I'm sayings is it's kinda weird to respond to people who are trying to make a system more secure by saying "well it will never be perfect so fuck it it's just theater". I mean really? I think we agree on everything else.

> it will never be perfect This is a straw man.

"Real world attacks (e.g., XCSSET) and researchers have consistently shown that TCC, while often a nuisance to users, does not present a significant obstacle to attackers."

https://www.sentinelone.com/blog/session-cookies-keychains-s...

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#427

Post by r9550684 »

when asked what language ken used, he seemed to answer "Algol"? I'm surprised there's no further discussion or clarification in the comments. if anybody heard clearer, or has some feedback on what he actually might've been using, I'd appreciate a response.

the other question that I have about the video is, which one is "the alligator talk"?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#428

Post by Blikkentrekker »

asveikau wrote: post #425
Blikkentrekker wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not sure what you mean. Many of the things one can at least ask permissions for as I read it on the Apple system are actually purposefully simply not available due to similar concerns. Many of the leading Wayland developers believe in this. The Enlightenment lead developer for instance does not believe a programmatic way to make screenshots or listen to keypresses should ever exist. I had some debates with him abou…

>> People will keep running X without issue for a very long time > Opinions are divided on that matter. I feel like those holding the opposite opinion are pretty clearly wrong and it seems to be some kind of hubris. Fortunately their opinion is not binding. > The reality is that many of the developers of Xorg have abandoned in in lieu of Wayland and many Wayland developers, Not an issue. It doesn't need a lot of main…

That is a very wrong view of something that communicates so closely with the hardware and deals with graphics.

It's very much chasing a moving target of new graphics technology and many of the innovations made by Wayland have been ported to Xorg. The interesting thing is that screen tearing used to be a problem on Xorg but never was on Wayland but much of the technology responsible for that has now found it's way into Xorg to make it a thing of the past there too. Of course integration with new hardware drivers is also required.

It's entirely possible it will continue to be maintained that way, or that the Wayland philosophy will finally be broken and these things will be added once they realize there is a great enough demand, but these are all possibilities, not certainties.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#429

Post by davidy123 »

tssva wrote: post #424
davidy123 wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's more than three generations older than the 6850U I'm using. It predates the M1 release. It's only a few years ago that we could expect decent battery life without tweaking on Linux, probably just after the T495 series. (-: These days, tweaking with TLP &c could yield worse battery life, in my experience.

I guess we have different definitions of "the last few years".

You're right, that's within a "few" years. I should have said "couple."

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#430

Post by williamDafoe »

wkat4242 wrote: post #147

I moved from 15+ years of Mac to FreeBSD about 2 years ago for similar reasons. It's too locked-down, too opinionated, too iOS for me now. Very happy with FreeBSD + KDE which gives me configuration choices again.

Exactly. Everyone is missing the big picture, focusing on Ken's jukebox, when its pretty shocking that Ken's giving up on a BSD-inspired (UNIX v7-descended) OS. Frankly, I was ready to throw my employer's mac against the wall when it refused to allow me to install gdb. The move towards gatekeeper and putting everything inside its own private walled garden will definitely ruin open source tools that can access any file on the system, making apple superior to all developers. I am pretty sure that some of these gestapo changes have been rolled back.
Post reply on HN