KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop • Hacker News Board

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by LeFantome » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

Athas wrote: post #256

Rotareti wrote: post #177

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> Meanwhile we have distros lagging behind for years to provide a new package because they can't break all the things depending on the old version. I'm glad I left this category of problems behind me 5 years ago when I switched both, my personal and my work laptop to arch-linux/i3wm. These two machines have been running for 5 years, almost daily, with almost no issues, with the latest software packages. If the hardwa…

My impression is that Arch is not technically unusual among distributions, but is simply well-polished, documented, and very active (and has an easy way to install unvetted community packages). If this impression is correct, you still run the risk of unnoticed outdated software if the amount of volunteers drop, or a particularly critical one no longer has the time. Which part of Arch's design prevents the issue descr…

Regardless of the explanations, as an Arch user, I think you have to at least acknowledge that Arch does not have this problem in practice. I am sure there are counter-examples but in almost all cases Arch packages are extremely up to date. If they are not, it is probably a package you are not even going to find on another distro.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by littlestymaar » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

Gigachad wrote: post #408

yencabulator wrote: post #392

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And write access to $HOME lets a process climb out of the sandbox. Trying to make sense of Flatpak's threat model is just near-impossible. It might protect you from something, if the specific app's configuration told it to do so. Starting a random Flatpak app, you have no guarantees, and the UX doesn't communicate anything about this.

We are in a transition period. Starting with getting apps packaged in flatpak even if it doesn’t improve security, and then once that’s all done we can start tightening the restrictions.

In that case can you please at least stop advertising flatpak for its security until it happen to be secure eventually…

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by phendrenad2 » Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 11:32 AM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #271

phendrenad2 wrote: post #257

If they can actually prevent piracy, maybe I'll actually package my app for Linux.

> If they can actually prevent piracy, maybe I'll actually package my app for Linux. ... Neither MacOS nor Windows do this; what are you targeting now?

I mistyped. I should have said "provide a bare-minimum barrier to piracy".

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by abenga » Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 7:12 AM UTC

matthews2 wrote: post #303

kelnos wrote: post #102

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Sid is unstable (by definition and design)b wouldn't recommend as a daily driver. Testing is a decent rolling release distro, though.

Testing isn't rolling release. Every 2 years, testing becomes stable, and stable becomes oldstable.

Not if you explicitly use the word "testing" in your apt config though, no? But yeah, after the hard freeze, changes do slow down until it stable is released, then there is a flood of changes.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by seabrookmx » Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 8:05 PM UTC

diffeomorphism wrote: post #355

seabrookmx wrote: post #190

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zfs is a single `apt install` away.

I thought Ubuntu lost interest in that and is letting it die? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/01/ubuntu-zfs-support-statu...

That article doesn't provide much context, but Zsys != ZFS. Zsys (and the surrounding effort in Ubuntu) are all about using ZFS as a root filesystem for Desktop Ubuntu and providing convenient features like snapshot on update (to facilitate rolling back a botched upgrade, for instance). To the article's credit, it does look like Canonical is letting this die on the vine (sadly).

But that doesn't change the fact that ZFS itself is in the Ubuntu repos, tested against Ubuntu's kernels (it's a kernel module, so this is important), and _really easy_ to install: `sudo apt install zfsutils-linux`.

Personally on my box, I boot off a small NVMe SSD formatted ext4 (installer defaults) and then have all my hard drives in a ZFS pool to store my data. If /r/zfs is to be believed, this is a common setup.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by jm4 » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 3:11 AM UTC

kombine wrote: post #294

jm4 wrote: post #137

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It’s most likely not the rendering but the font itself. The Ubuntu font might be the best looking one around. It can be installed on other distros easily. Some have it packaged in their repositories. Switch fonts, turn on full hinting and you’re in business.

I don't think it's just one font. I recently switched away from Ubuntu to OpenSUSE TumbleWeed and on occasional webpages and applications I get these badly rendered fonts. I fixed them to some extent by installing additional fonts, but not completely.

I know what you’re talking about. IIRC, there’s a page in the OpenSUSE docs or in the forums covering the bad browser fonts. That’s an issue that’s specific to them. Haven’t seen it in another distro in many years.

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Post by FireInsight » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 8:42 PM UTC

flangola7 wrote: post #141

sys42590 wrote: post #2

Flathub could become the killer "app" for the Linux desktop. No need to juggle dependencies and third party repos. The software you need in an instant.

It's the closest thing to APKs for Linux. We need an Android for desktop: a signed base image with silo'd applications, application data, and granular permissions.

There's a project called ublue-os (https://ublue.it/) based on Fedora Silverblue & co (rpm-ostree based 'immutable' Fedora variants). It's building signed base images with Nvidia drivers, autoupdates, etc.

You can fork the base repository and just add the packages you want to have installed on your host system. Everything else is handled with flatpaks or with distrobox containers, or you could technically install whatever else package management system you wanted to.