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Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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post #232

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> Jobs never lost his vision that Apple should sell appliances, and people who wanted to "wrench their own devices" should buy PCs. And honestly, I don't think information appliances are a bad thing to have in the world. It's not the kind of device I would choose for myself, but there's a class of users for whom a general computing device isn't just overkill, it's downright dangerous. Android is fine for my use case,…

But it's worse than appliance. Appliance doesn't actively block you from using it for something not listed in instruction manual

Relevant (and worth reading, if you haven't seen it):

"Unauthorized Bread" by Cory Doctorow

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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Android is not much better since you can quickly go down the Kafka route and end up not having your app on Google Play for various ridiculous reasons. I believe one of my hobby apps is still not available because there is always one more thing to fix. The app was on GP for years and somewhat popular before all the shenanigans started. I rather pay and it works than being left out hanging.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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post #288

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What bothers me is that it feels like an offense against the entire notion of what a computer is. Yep. One of the most glaring examples of this is the complete extinction of portable backups. Back when I was carrying around a PDA I could plug it in, hit one button, and have a total backup of everything on my device. Plug a blank device in, hit one button, and everything is restored. Today if you want a bulletproof de…

Why aren't you backing up locally? You clearly speak like you're used to it "back when you were carrying around a PDA".

I am. It's one of the reasons I only run a rooted android device. Most people aren't so lucky.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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post #68

What bothers me about this -- and it bothered me enough to leave the platform -- is not fees, or "hobby computing," or "it's just for my own use," or trying to figure out why this or that would be in Apple's interest. What bothers me is that it feels like an offense against the entire notion of what a computer is. I am, of course, aware that many (perhaps most) computers in the world are effectively appliances, but a…

A "personal computer" is a computer a person owns and controls. IMHO.

"Phones" can be beautiful appliances. We can admire them for many reasons. But calling them "personal computers" is a stretch, and honestly AFAICT no one does. FWIW, people refer to "phones" by other terms, such as "device". Mobile phones today contain computers, but that is about as far as we can make the comparison to the personal computer.

Arguably every new appliance does or will eventually contain a computer. That hardly means its owner will be able to control it. Good news is it's still possible to build a PC from parts and there are more small form factor development boards than ever before.

Apple reminds me of the diamond industry. How does it manage to charge such amounts of money for something that is so readily available. It sells people a story. De Beers is apparently now entering into the synthetic diamond businesss. Apple's next move should be similarly amusing.

An analogy to a deck of cards would have to include a means by which the company that makes the boxes for the playing cards collects data on how people use them, where the people travel with the cards, and so on, sending it to the box maker outside of the card owner's awareness because there is no longterm business viability for selling boxes to playing card companies, so the box maker becomes a front for a surveillance and advertising company.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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> When I can't copy MY photos out of MY device, without uploading it to Apple's cloud. Wait, what? (Not an Apple user - genuinely curious)

They probably mean from an iOS device to a PC/Android. It can be done without using iCloud, but you’ll need a macOS machine or special iOS app to do it.

"Windows: You can import photos to your PC by connecting your device to your computer and using the Windows Photos app"

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201302

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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post #68

What bothers me about this -- and it bothered me enough to leave the platform -- is not fees, or "hobby computing," or "it's just for my own use," or trying to figure out why this or that would be in Apple's interest. What bothers me is that it feels like an offense against the entire notion of what a computer is. I am, of course, aware that many (perhaps most) computers in the world are effectively appliances, but a…

Couple this with the apples current and incoming payment/banking/loan apps and you have some seriously malicious we will control what you do and trap you in a debt cycle business tactics. The companies gross and arguably malicious in its business tactics.

Don't even start me on the symbolism of their anti workers rights bs.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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The relationship some developers have with Apple should be a case-study with multiple PhD thesis in psychology. Not even in movies I've seen so many cases of children desperately chasing their emotionally unavailable parent. Apple is a trillion dollar company, it's the "parent" who sells you +$40 dongles for everything. "Hobbies" are only good if they make them money AND doesn't increase their risk or any liability.…

It would be easier for me to leave Apple if only their hardware wasn't so damn nice. I am so spoiled by these M1 (and now M2) Airs, they are the best machine I've ever bought and I've had quite a few! They do make incredible hardware, even if the dongles can be expensive, unfortunately.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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post #68

What bothers me about this -- and it bothered me enough to leave the platform -- is not fees, or "hobby computing," or "it's just for my own use," or trying to figure out why this or that would be in Apple's interest. What bothers me is that it feels like an offense against the entire notion of what a computer is. I am, of course, aware that many (perhaps most) computers in the world are effectively appliances, but a…

c.f., Vernor Vinge's novella _The Cookie Monster_

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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post #359

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>But Jobs never lost his vision that Apple should sell appliances, and people who wanted to "wrench their own devices" should buy PCs. You present an excellent historical case of how Apple got here, but here's where I see a dichotomy: Back in the day, tools like RezEdit, Hypercard, AppleScript came included. There were countless "apps" to reconfigure how the Mac looked and felt to create a personalized experience. Av…

The Apple Macintosh was released in 1984. Jobs was pushed completely out of the company in 1985. When did RezEdit, Hypercard and AppleScript come out? Without looking it up, I would say after Jobs left Apple.

Yes, but MacBASIC was worked on under Jobs' leadership -- until it was taken at gunpoint by Bill Gates:

https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacBasic.txt

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