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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer
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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right: it's the policy that's bad. However, facial recognition is what makes enforcing that policy possible, and society and the law haven't changed quickly enough to deal with the repercussions. For instance, say 18 year old "Joe" gets caught stealing soda from a fast food place. The manager kicks him out and bans him from the store. Fast forward a decade, when Joe walks back into the store with his wife and…
Why is the policy bad? They are preventing employees from a law firm in active litigation with them from attending their venues while the litigation takes place. It's not some draconian thing.
I'm certain you didn't read the article. The link between the woman and the litige case is very tenuous.
She doesn't work on the case, and the venue has nothing to do with the case either, besides that a huge corporation owns both the venue and the restaurant under litigation.
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#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another take: personal information is valuable, it belongs to the individual concerned with some fair use exceptions, making electronic files with said personal information in a way that obviously harms the individuals concerned infringes on their most personal intellectual property and is not fair use.
Facts however are not generally protected though which is what most of this is about. That's why map makers include non-existent cities so there's something other than just facts involved in their product.
Depends on the jurisdiction. Facts that happen to be personal information are very much protected in the EU.
Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer
#424The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well through insane technological change.
But if I want my face catalogued next to my social credit score why not go all in and move to China?
It’s not great but the only mechanism in sight that seems equipped to deal with this is restraint semi-enforced by social consensus. God knows Congress isn’t going to do anything: piss off both law enforcement and tech? Yeah I think that’s a hard pass from them.
Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer
#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is the policy bad? They are preventing employees from a law firm in active litigation with them from attending their venues while the litigation takes place. It's not some draconian thing.
I'm certain you didn't read the article. The link between the woman and the litige case is very tenuous. She doesn't work on the case, and the venue has nothing to do with the case either, besides that a huge corporation owns both the venue and the restaurant under litigation.
I did read it. MSG notified the law firm of their policy while the litigation is ongoing, twice.
> "MSG instituted a straightforward policy that precludes attorneys pursuing active litigation against the Company from attending events at our venues until that litigation has been resolved. While we understand this policy is disappointing to some, we cannot ignore the fact that litigation creates an inherently adverse environment. All impacted attorneys were notified of the policy, including Davis, Saperstein and Salomon, which was notified twice," a spokesperson for MSG Entertainment said in a statement.
Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer
#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is happening already with PatronScan which is being pushed agressively into schools, and bars: https://scribe.nixnet.services/id-at-the-door-meet-the-secur... There have been references to the ban lists going from one venue to another.
Can you imagine getting into an argument with a bartender and being asked to leave - and then you can't go into any other bars either? Yikes! Reminds me of the hidden low-level-banking-employee blacklist that some would end up on for not forcing enough customers into expensive products they didn't need. Or the opiate painkiller registry that doctors use to centrally track folks who come to them for painkillers, and w…
Blacklisting is something we already recognise as wrong; banning who you want from your own establishment is fine, but passing around a list of people and banning them on someone else's say-so isn't. Perhaps the laws against it should be enforced, or strengthened.
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure we can take that matter of fact approach, and she accepts. However MSG is now not allowed to have a liquor license as a matter of fact.
Nah MSG is still allowed to sell alcohol. But this woman is not allowed on the premises.
For now, yes. But they'll have to stop selling alcohol soon.
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#428This reminds me of an incident that showed up in one of my college courses: A forklift driver who got fired for drinking Budweiser. He worked for a company that Miller Brewing company contacted with and a newspaper took a photo of him at a public event drinking Budweiser. Different situation, same kind of pettiness and retaliation.
The required brand loyalty from Miller crazy - friends who have worked for them will pour non-miller beverages into glassware so that they can't be photographed holding a competitor's product. This is not in public mind you, but at someone else's apartment and not on company time. Not sure if Budweiser / AB does the same thing back but its a really backwards way to run a company culture.
AB did this for sure before the merger. Working there during my prime, going-out-to-the-bars age, I was told that I should only buy AB products and make sure the label was turned outward for others to see. Thought it was weird but I only drink whisky so it didn't really affect me.
Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you imagine getting into an argument with a bartender and being asked to leave - and then you can't go into any other bars either? Yikes! Reminds me of the hidden low-level-banking-employee blacklist that some would end up on for not forcing enough customers into expensive products they didn't need. Or the opiate painkiller registry that doctors use to centrally track folks who come to them for painkillers, and w…
Blacklisting is something we already recognise as wrong; banning who you want from your own establishment is fine, but passing around a list of people and banning them on someone else's say-so isn't. Perhaps the laws against it should be enforced, or strengthened.
I don't know of any laws against this at all, at least in the United States.
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#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dislike has nothing to do with it. You’re suing my restaurant because you claim a patron of mine was over served by a bartender and subsequently killed someone while driving drunk. I do not want your lawyers or their investigators or staff coming in and chatting with my staff or poking around my business without my lawyer being there.
> I do not want your lawyers or their investigators or staff coming in and chatting with my staff or poking around my business without my lawyer being there. Which was not the case here. You can not summary ban every employee of a large company that's doing something you don't like. Kelly Conlon is not involved in the case against MSG, and (as far as I understand) had no knowledge of the case.
> You can not summary ban every employee of a large company that's doing something you don't like.
Which laws forbid this?