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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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The antifa fueled BLM riots were some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history. The national guard was called out in dozens of cities during these months long protests… Portland and Seattle were basically under siege. City blocks were literally occupied for many days leading to inability of police and medical services to respond on those areas. https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage

> some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history

Stunning that anybody could believe this.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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"As the Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin noted on Twitter, the suspended users include Chad Loder, an antifascist researcher whose open-source investigation of the U.S. Capitol riot led to the identification and arrest of a masked Proud Boy who attacked police officers. The account of video journalist Vishal Pratap Singh, who reports on far-right protests in Southern California, has also been suspended." "Al…

> antifascist researcher doesn't that just mean someone who doxes people they don't agree with? Great, i'm glad he helped arrest a criminal but the ends don't always justify the means.

I mean, you can just make up stuff about people to justify whatever happens to them if you want.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #379

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The antifa fueled BLM riots were some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history. The national guard was called out in dozens of cities during these months long protests… Portland and Seattle were basically under siege. City blocks were literally occupied for many days leading to inability of police and medical services to respond on those areas. https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage

> some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history Stunning that anybody could believe this.

Over a billion dollars in damage, the most expensive in history.

https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #349

If I had the time and resources, I would build a Twitter clone and focus on just getting journalists, editors, reporters, etc on the platform. This is a powerful community that is quite established on Twitter, but I suspect they would be willing to migrate. Maybe something like, Manuscript Wishlist or QueryTracker, but specifically with a Twitter vibe.

If you had your own twitter clone, what rule/process would you use for determining whether someone is a journalist/editor/reporter? Who should get the 'press' credential? So many people do only editorialism but call themselves journalists. Journalists who do great investigatory pieces are often independent or bounce between publications frequently. Lots of influencers posing at journalists to obtain a veneer of legit…

I think it's easy to get sidetracked and lose sight of the social aspect of social media, especially in terms of how people think about Twitter. I suspect my first iteration would be an attempt to make it easier for people in the media business to build relationships with eachother -- especially because, as you say, peoples roles in the industry are often quite in flux.

My hope wouldn't be to give people platform, so much as give media people meaningful connections. Who knows, though. I've not thought about it much. I would also leverage other unique advantages I have, in terms of other businesses, to increase the chances of those connections being built.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #146

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> using Tesla car owners as unpaid betatesters Almost right. Charging Tesla owners to beta test their autonomous driving software.

It's curious how many people are unhappy that someone choses to pay for an early-access product that's in beta.

I'm unhappy about it because I have to share the road with Tesla's cars, and I'm also tired of people buying wholesale into hype. I personally stay away from Tesla's on the road for fear that they have the "self-driving" software engaged.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Our Trust & Safety team continues its diligent work to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct, abusive behavior, and any violation of Twitter's rules Should have prefixed that with "What is left of our trust & safety team..."

Hey, Dave is doing great work these days!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACfNSqsi_mE

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Agreed. My point is I am not going to see a marketer as aiming for the same goal “as an experimental physicist.” To borrow the Lindy effect; whether someone likes the jacket in color A or B is of such short lived value it’s a huge waste of the resources that went into the pipeline needed to come to the conclusion. Here’s an A/B test; rethink logistics to increase customization of outputs or continue to create design…

I think we're are getting caught up on what's being tested. In the context of what we're talking about, you can A/B test more than marketing, you're can test variables like UI/UX. Yes clothes fall in and out of fashion, but changing the placement, color, size of the "add to cart" button isn't something that's going to be changing frequently. Another example might be adding a "trending" tab the top navigation of a pag…

> Youtube recently tested randomly lowering people's video resolution to see who changed it back to gauge the importance of the resolution to their customers.

I wish they start gauging how frustrating such tests are, particularly for the test group. I've been cursing at YouTube many times over the past weeks because of this very issue - and now I learn it's not even a bug, but an A/B test.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

> this post is entirely to calm advertisers Regulators, too [1]. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/a07ca1ae-9f9a-46ee-9457-27bb30e18...

Yes, but "[w]e believe that a service of this importance will benefit from feedback at scale" will just make advertisers unhappy.

To state the obvious, I don't think they are reading the room very well...

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

Twitter was previously doing A/B tests. Spaces, communities, downvotes, circles, and even moderation were applied only to a subset of accounts while they actively experimented. The new policy is an objectively less scientific approach to testing functionality than what was occurring before.

They've probably fired so many people that they wouldn't even know _how_ to run A/B tests even if they wanted to.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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It's not like A/B tests approach anything like the rigor that we expect from actual science, though.

Others have addressed the ways in which A/B testing does hew quite closely to the standard of empirical observation under controlled circumstances, with which I largely agree. Where A/B studies may go wrong in my view is a few other elements: - A/B studies have difficulty in determining differences based on multiple interacting characteristics. In fairness, so does empirical science, and the principle of "holding all…

> it's quite possible that A/B testing has a long-term effect of pushing those participants whose tolerance has been exceeded out of the study population entirely.

I'd compare this to how evaporation rate increases with temperature, as more particles find themselves with enough energy to escape the liquid.

From my personal experience, even if I can tolerate a lot of UX abuse, each such "optimization" lowers my threshold of switching to a competitor. Software in general, and SaaS specifically, resists commoditization, but every now and then an actual alternative to a product/service I'm using shows up - and whether or not I switch (and when) is correlated with how much I resent the incumbent for their UX "improvements".

I'd add one bullet point to your list:

- Unlike regular scientific experimentation, A/B testing is a methodology primarily spread in business circles using regular hype channels. That is, the average practitioner is not qualified to execute it correctly, which is one of the reasons I see A/B testing more as tools to launder arbitrary decisions. Because consequences of doing it wrong are typically not immediately apparent or obvious, both companies and customers suffer (and a vast space for fraudsters is created).

I'm in a charitable mood, so I'm not passing judgement on people for not having PhD-level understanding of statistics - just pointing out that, to the degree much larger than in sciences (even soft ones, which suffer some of the same structural problems), there's little pressure to do such tests correctly (and there's lot of ways to make money or status by doing them without regards for correctness).

From what I hear, a common way of executing A/B test badly and getting bullshit results, is by terminating the test early when it shows the relevant metrics improving for the test group - vs. running it longer if no big improvements are observed (or the metrics start getting worse for the test group). This biases the experiment towards giving false positives. This problem was big enough that there was a debacle around Optimizely few years ago, whose UI was accused to promote this early termination of tests. The cynical take I'm still somewhat partial to is that it wasn't an accident (if not done on purpose, then possibly... a result of an A/B test!) - false positives make the (statistically naive) users feel they're getting more value from Optimizely than they actually are.

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