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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by swishman »

gloosx wrote: post #382
galoisscobi wrote: post #9

I’m usually excited about macOS releases but this one is an underwhelming update and don’t see any reason to update any time soon. Stage manager seems like a half measure to introduce better window management in macOS and it doesn’t help that it doesn’t support a keyboard only workflow, from what I can tell from the demos. Coming from i3wm, I found Yabai to be an excellent keyboard-first window manager. I do wish som…

Guys, which freaking keyboard-only window management yall looking for so hard? My daily workflow is jumping between 10 apps on different spaces, some of them are full-screen, some are just piled on one desktop, and the CMD+Tab just works perfectly all the time, you just press the CMD+Tab, select the app you need, jump to it, no focus lost, only distraction is the damned sliding animation (which everyone wants to turn…

I agree with you but take it further, what's the point of different spaces? Just put all apps to full screen size (not "fullscreen") on the first screen and alt tab instantly

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by sharikous »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #420
shpx wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wish I could put a SIM card in my Macbook and not have to buy a phone.

You are asking for an iPad.

Oh but if you want to make calls with it you will need an iPhone. That's just them maximizing revenue, I guess.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by kergonath »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #181
yamtaddle wrote: post #174

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> Um preferences -Oh hai I'm called Settings now and I reorganized everything Oh good. I find it by typing "settings" 100% of the time because I can never remember what it's called ("System Preferences", evidently) but that works less-well than it might since that's not the name—it doesn't fully match until I've typed the whole word.

I’ve used macs since system 7 and it went from oh I know what to click to basically me typing in the search bar for what to find.

I gave up a while ago trying to remember in which preference pane each setting was. There are just too many buttons that are moved every other version. I cannot live without Spotlight in system preferences.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by kergonath »

JoachimS wrote: post #409
anigbrowl wrote: post #167

The update is cool but the update process was not. -Update available, wanna install? Sure -OK don't mind me I'm gonna need a while OK -HA HA I LIED I"M READY TO TERMINATE EVERYTHING BYEEEE WTF 5 reboots with just an Apple icon and a progress bar The progress bar also moves backwards sometimes I guess it's a metaphor for life, which is how long this seems to be taking -OK hello I am back but I need 10 minutes of alone…

Strange. I started the update, had breakfast and after saying no to analytics could get back to work with everything looking basically the same. Yes, there are a boatload of new things. No, they don't pop up in your face and force you to change how you work.

Particularly not Stage Manager, which needs to be explicitly activated, right?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by nix23 »

kaba0 wrote: post #353
wingworks wrote: post #339

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"when you reboot, it'll be into the new OS." Oh man, wouldn't that be amazing!

NixOS then lives in the future, as that is exactly what it does!

Pff, FreeBSD and Illumos/Solaris have BE's (boot environments) since years

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by concinds »

Here's a good write-up on Stage Manager: https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manag...

What I didn't know, is that you can hide "Recent Apps" (the app thumbnails on the left) in System Settings. It supplements Mission Control & Spaces, and makes it quite easy to switch between apps. You can also group multiple windows together to switch to them in one tap. Pretty neat.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by piva00 »

kergonath wrote: post #423
zitterbewegung wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve used macs since system 7 and it went from oh I know what to click to basically me typing in the search bar for what to find.

I gave up a while ago trying to remember in which preference pane each setting was. There are just too many buttons that are moved every other version. I cannot live without Spotlight in system preferences.

I gave up when a bunch of easily-accessible settings for mouses/mousepads/keyboards went to the "Accessibility" pane. It was annoying to see the Accessibility pane become a catch-all pane for power-user features...

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by piva00 »

zamalek wrote: post #261
runjake wrote: post #187

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Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

This isn't really a viable excuse. Silverblue is also immutable and updates are applied in under 10 seconds prior to reboot (which is never affected by updates). Coming from Windows and Linux, macOS had been a very unpleasant experience for me. It's full of papercuts.

> Coming from Windows and Linux, macOS had been a very unpleasant experience for me. It's full of papercuts.

The same could be said to the opposite transition, from macOS to Linux and/or Windows. All of these OSs are mature and old enough to have thousands of papercuts different from the thousands of papercuts of the other OSs, the impression is mostly based on what you are used to.

I used to be staunchly anti-Apple/Mac up to 2010-ish, nowadays I simply can't work and feel productive with a Windows machine. Linux can be a bit more pleasant until I get to the edges of the Linux-on-desktop UX and the experience crumbles.

Windows is definitely the most unpleasant experience I've ever had on desktop OSs, and I was a user all the way from Win3.11 to Windows 7 (latest iterations only on a gaming computer though).

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by mellavora »

zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

fd

https://github.com/sharkdp/fd#installation

assuming you are "in the current folder" in the terminal...

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