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Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by unity1001 »

malshe wrote: post #327
unity1001 wrote: post #305

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> But for most of us the things are not this bad. I am a professor If you are a professor, you are not one of the 'most of us'. For most, things are really that bad. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret... There are millions of working families where both parents and even children work and yet they still suffer hunger.

My comment unintentionally sounded like I was talking about all the other Americans. I meant to say most of us in the middle class. I am acutely aware that poverty in the US is real. When I talk to my academic friends in Europe and we compare salaries (it's quite common to do that because in the US our salaries are public if we work in state universities), we usually come out with the conclusion that in the US we hav…

> I meant to say most of us in the middle class

I know that you Americans use the word 'middle class' in place of 'working class'. No, a professor would not be 'working class'. Its lower upper class at the least. Both in Europe and the US.

Even for the public university case, the Europeans have benefits that you likely don't calculate. From getting state-subsidies per child to rent control to many different things. You shouldnt calculate the difference just over pension, medical and housing.

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Post by unity1001 »

m000 wrote: post #385
unity1001 wrote: post #255

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No they aren't. Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal are staying away from it as much as possible. Many central European countries, the same. This is an Anglosaxon + Germanic project, with the addition of Poland. Its their war. ... There can be no bigger enemy than the country that blew up European pipelines to sink European industry. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-09/european-...

I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this. From what I gather, if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again. Also, Greece is not staying as away as you may think. First EU country to send military supplies to Ukraine. Supplies were complete junk btw, so you can even call it a lose-lose gesture. Worse, the only external…

> I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this

It definitely is not Germany's war. Various openly-published American think tank papers openly call for German industry's destruction and outline plans for it. One example went viral recently.

> if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again.

Yep, after the US literally went ahead and blew up the pipes when things looked like settling down, many German establishment figures seem to have changed their minds. But it may be too late. Even if repairs start tomorrow and both pipelines open, its unlikely that they will complete before the winter is over. And that will likely castrate German industry.

> Also, Greece is not staying as away as you may think. First EU country to send military supplies to Ukraine. Supplies were complete junk

Lol, Spain did the same - first it sent a few thousand rifles that were practically remnant of the Spanish Civil War or early WW2. Then it offered to send Leopard tanks IF Germany gave permission - therefore throwing the ball on Germany's court. Of course Germany couldn't allow it, so the tanks were not sent. Then in the 3rd run, when pressured to send artillery shells, they just sent some 150mm shells which may or may not be usable in the equipment that the US gave Ukraine.

Greece is FAR ahead of Spain: Currently Europe is STILL buying Russian oil. But it is now 'Greek' oil. As long as you have at most 49% Russian-sourced oil, your oil is not Russian oil. So you can sell as much as you want. Greece had been doing crazy business. It may end up as the country that comes ahead of all others in the crisis.

As a very ironic note, Latvia is also selling Russian oil. Shiploads of it. But its 'Latvian oil' since its only 49% Russian.

It looks like business does not follow rhetoric.

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Post by unity1001 »

astrange wrote: post #410
unity1001 wrote: post #254

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> I wish Europeans were a bit more business savy and corporate Seeing how well that worked for the US, no thanks. The only reason European GDP is going down is because of 10-year-long trade war that was started circa 2005 by the US. It started with tariffs back then, moved onto trying to push NAFTA-like 'trade deals' via TTIP etc, and when all failed, they just blew the pipeline. Judging from what was done to Japan w…

The Japanese economy is healthy relative to the rest of the world but it's true that Japanese people are too poor and are not getting better fast enough. But this is mostly because "sacrificing and hardworking" was a dumb thing to set up the country to be. They were worried about people having too much free time so set up a super unproductive structure where every man was in the office 12 hours a day, gets micromanag…

> The Japanese economy is healthy relative to the rest of the world

It is frozen at the exact size and breadth that US wanted to freeze it. Its a literal economic colony.

> But this is mostly because "sacrificing and hardworking" was a dumb thing to set up the country to be

It worked until 1991.

I very much recommedn reading about the Plaza Accords.

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Post by yibg »

bernulli wrote: post #335
yibg wrote: post #321

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In some cases it’s probably legitimately “unfair”. Me for example am probably at the more unfair end. I - have high income so pay a large % into taxes - not a citizen so don’t enjoy some of the benefits of military protection - wasn’t raised here so didn’t use any of the earlier year services - likely won’t retire here so won’t use those either Most of my tax dollars goes to fund others in the country. But as a socie…

But you still benefit even from the mere _existence_ of human beings younger than you are (e.g. service, manufacturing, research, medical, etc.). If you think you don't, think about the fraction of people you will interact with in 20 or 40 years that are younger than you will be, or about the innovations you will be using in 20 or 40 years that were developed by people younger than you. Those human beings have to com…

I’m not arguing that I don’t derive value from my taxes. Like you said there are benefits from the next generation, social stability etc. Just that I don’t necessarily derive value proportional to the amount I pay.

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Post by yibg »

jen20 wrote: post #351
yibg wrote: post #321

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In some cases it’s probably legitimately “unfair”. Me for example am probably at the more unfair end. I - have high income so pay a large % into taxes - not a citizen so don’t enjoy some of the benefits of military protection - wasn’t raised here so didn’t use any of the earlier year services - likely won’t retire here so won’t use those either Most of my tax dollars goes to fund others in the country. But as a socie…

> not a citizen so don’t enjoy some of the benefits of military protection Can you explain what you mean by this part?

If I was stuck in a war torn country, I don’t get evacuated by the US military.

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Post by yibg »

RHSeeger wrote: post #344
yibg wrote: post #321

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In some cases it’s probably legitimately “unfair”. Me for example am probably at the more unfair end. I - have high income so pay a large % into taxes - not a citizen so don’t enjoy some of the benefits of military protection - wasn’t raised here so didn’t use any of the earlier year services - likely won’t retire here so won’t use those either Most of my tax dollars goes to fund others in the country. But as a socie…

Presumably you're not paying taxes to , but you reap the benefits of the people that did pay taxes there during this time. So it works out in the end. It's the same thing, just at a global level instead of a national level. Admittedly, the rules aren't the same everywhere. Plus, as noted elsewhere, you are getting benefits from the taxes you're paying now, only just on some of it.

It’s the proportion of payment vs benefit. We intentionally have a set up where some people pay more into the system than they might get out of it. This isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. But then by the same token some people will be paying an “unfair” amount.

Eg if I make a million a year, I might pay 500k in taxes. Someone making 50k a year might pay 10k. I don’t get an extra 450k a year worth of benefit from my taxes. This is intended and is ok. But I think we should also acknowledge that this happens.

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Post by foepys »

m000 wrote: post #388
foepys wrote: post #196

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Basically all of Europe is arming Ukraine because Europe knows that if Russia takes Ukraine, Russia will eventually want to annex all other ex-USSR states as well. If not more.

> Russia will eventually want to annex all other ex-USSR states as well I don't know how people buy such uninformed BS. First, a lot of ex-USSR states are already NATO members. So, no game. Further, USSR was a political construct. Their whole expansionism was based on that. Russia on the other hand is a nation state. They are not capable of annexing any region where there is no Russian-speaking + Russia-aligned popul…

Have you looked at a map? You are forgetting about Moldova, which already has Russian military bases "protecting" Russians in a small strip at the border to Ukraine, effectively occupying land.

Then you are forgetting about Georgia where Russia fought a war in 2008 resulting in Russia creating South Ossetia on Georgian land. Exactly the thing they now tried to do with Luhansk and Donetsk.

Then there is Kazakhstan where Russia did a military intervention to support the government in 2022, this year! Although, Kazakhstan seems to want to sever the ties to Russia now.

I have a feeling that you don't know anything about this topic and just read a single article and now feel informed while in reality you were hit by Russian propaganda. The author of the article you posted thinks that NATO made Russia invade Ukraine by expanding to far East, explicitly following Russian talking points.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

anigbrowl wrote: post #416
s1artibartfast wrote: post #397

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He already sued and won in jurisdiction B. The money is in jurisdiction A. No banks and police in jurisdiction A will honor a legal document from jurisdiction B. This leaves you to the situation described above. The best option is to take the decision from jurisdiction B into a new court proceeding and jurisdiction A and ask them to honor it with a local court order in A. They may or they may not. Even within the Uni…

No banks and police in jurisdiction A will honor a legal document from jurisdiction B. Except that that is often not the case, because of things like federalism, treaties and so on. Anyway, you're missing the point; you're now talking about a judgement from jurisdiction B, whereas earlier you were arguing that the rules from jurisdiction A could apply in jurisdiction B. If a plaintiff goes to jurisdiction A with a ju…

You are repeating what I have already said.

>Juppor is talking about suing in Florida courts. Florida is absolutely at will. He may be able to sue to collect a foreign court judgement instead

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Post by s1artibartfast »

ianai wrote: post #99
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #86

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That doesn’t mean they won’t pay him. Only that they don’t plan to hire in the Netherland anymore. It would be pretty stupid to not pay to be honest. It’s not that much money, would mean keeping an open case in the UE and it’s highly likely they would end up paying anyway though one of the collection mechanisms in place for this kind of case.

Or they’re telling an entire country to “go away” and that’s a big enough indictment against their practices itself. And market power.

I'm sure they will still accept contracts from the Netherlands, they just won't hire anyone locally.

It happens all the time.

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Post by angry_octet »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #397
anigbrowl wrote: post #380

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That's not how choice of law works. If you are operating a business in jurisdiction A and open a branch in jurisdiction B, you have a nexus to jurisdiction B and can't say your branch exists under the legal umbrella of jurisdiction A. Of course, you can assert that your customer and employment contracts are under the law of jurisdiction A, but such assertions don't magically trump statutory law. Contractual provision…

He already sued and won in jurisdiction B. The money is in jurisdiction A. No banks and police in jurisdiction A will honor a legal document from jurisdiction B. This leaves you to the situation described above. The best option is to take the decision from jurisdiction B into a new court proceeding and jurisdiction A and ask them to honor it with a local court order in A. They may or they may not. Even within the Uni…

To inject some expertise: "Enforcement of Judgments in the United States: Overview" https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-034-2858
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