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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by aliqot »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #419
aliqot wrote: post #252

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Unless you dont have a telephone, like me. You get to sign up, then inevitably after your first tweet your account is flagged for review, requiring phone to interact further. I don't have a phone, I'm Amish, I just wanted an account to see the 4th and 5th posts in a "twitter thread" someone posted to HN and it keeps locking the screen with a signup/login modal after I scroll to the 3rd tweet in the thread. After a wh…

Are you trolling? How are you on hn if you're Amish? I mean you at least need a PC or smartphone.

You might look into what Amish life is actually like outside of movies. Most depictions in the media tend to at best be caricatures of our most conservative sects like Schwartzentruber Amish. Beachy Amish, Schwarzenau, even Mennonites have some conveniences; a computer is just a tool of my trade. Each community inside each sect will have its own Ordnung, which is just a mutual agreement on values and conduct when it comes to community. I like to joke with my English friends that we're the original neckbeards :)

Here's a good depiction of midwest Amish and the diversity in their communities. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEyPgwIPkHo7lOk-72-tX...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by xedeon »

bmitc wrote: post #420
xedeon wrote: post #407

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There are many other examples that can be found by just doing a quick search. But it seems that some individuals even refuse to do so. They would rather stick to their strong (sometimes objectively flawed) opinions. Which is totally fine. Everyone is entitled to. It's just embarrassingly bad when they try to regurgitate it to others and continue to double down. Even when presented with irrefutable data or new informa…

That’s fine you think that, but do you have anything that isn’t the same third party anecdotes that get repeated as nauseam? At least one of those is by an extremely unreliable narrator and an Elon sycophant and one of the others by another who thinks he’s knows everything as well.

> but do you have anything that isn’t the same third party anecdotes that get repeated as nauseam?

First, can you give a "concrete example" on what you consider as a "concrete example"?

Because so far, I've only seen name calling and flippant remarks from you. I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from.

That way, we can start from a place of understanding. Instead of going in circles and you moving the goal post.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by veltas »

bamboozled wrote: post #303
veltas wrote: post #77

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This is how a lot of people talk, you're just focusing on the billionaire part.

Right, whens the last time you purchased a company for billions of dollars off the cuff ?

I can imagine people having almost exactly the same conversation in hypotheticals.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by gonehome »

ajkjk wrote: post #401
gonehome wrote: post #358

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It's a serious project: https://zalberico.com/essay/2022/09/28/tlon-urbit-computing-... There's a lot of weird marketing, but it's a real thing.

I'm amuse to find that https://urbit.org/ is a lot more legit-looking than it used to be. Good for them. Is it still based on 'Hoon' and 'Nock' though? Because inventing your own nonsense programming language is antithetical to a serious attempt at building something.

Except for the times it’s not.

C was invented at some point too. Nock and Hoon serve a purpose and exist for a reason.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by davidatbu »

bmitc wrote: post #172
davidatbu wrote: post #157

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Apparently since 1984, when he won a prize for writing a computer game at 12 years old: https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/

That makes him an engineer?

Admittedly, no. But, in addition to that, he has a Physics degree from UPenn and was accepted to a PhD program in MechE at Stanford, was co-founder of X.com, is Chief Engineer at SpaceX, and has some of the most respected people in their respective fields (some of whom have worked closely with him) vouch for his engineering chops (Andrej Karpathy[0], John Karmack[1], Gareth Reisman[2], an astronaut and Professor of Astronautics Practice at USC, Jim Keller[3]).

Unless you present your engineering qualifications that are of equivalent credibility as that of the aforementioned people, as well as present evidence that you've worked with him as closely with Elon Musk as some of these folks have, I'll stick with my conclusion that, yes, he's indubitably an engineer.

[0]: https://youtu.be/PlLmdTcsAWU?t=1439

[1]: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200...

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNG6ZzDh9C8&t=390s, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/26/spacex...

[3] https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1225875212559933442?la...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by lovich »

yamtaddle wrote: post #332
lovich wrote: post #234

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A CEO is not “just an employee”, even when they are not a founder. You don’t get to accept that much power and that much money and then pass off any responsibility because you have someone to answer to. Like really, if we accept that proposition how would society function? Youd have people in charge of tens to hundreds of thousands of peoples daily lives and output who just pass the buck on any issues because they go…

> Like really, if we accept that proposition how would society function? Youd have people in charge of tens to hundreds of thousands of peoples daily lives and output who just pass the buck on any issues because they got orders? Is that in anyway functionality different from a monarchy? 1) Exactly as it does. You're looking at it. 2) Yeah, that's pretty much how it's going. Like, half the time they pass the buck even…

That is in no way describing left-libertarianism unless your critical of part three and think we should go back to one lord

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by McSwag »

warinukraine wrote: post #393
j0hnyl wrote: post #328

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Same, I also thought this was a positive conversation and I'm not sure why folks are interpreting it otherwise.

I'm interpreting it otherwise because the conversation is superficial to the point of being meaningless. Akin to "hey I have an idea, why don't we make it better?" "That's a great idea, how do we make it better?" "Well let's improve some aspects" "Super interesting idea!"

When two billionaires walk into a bar…

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by gremlinsinc »

SmokeyHamster wrote: post #367
philliphaydon wrote: post #191

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> In what way is it broken? My biggest issue with Twitter is the lack of moderation, theres SO much propaganda on there. I report tweets where someone threatens someone and they are like 'oh no violation'... I reported a tweet with a video of ukraine where they showed un-blured body parts of dead people and a message praising russian soldiers for 'smashing nazis into little pieces'... and it was 'no violation' (thank…

>My biggest issue with Twitter is the lack of moderation, theres SO much propaganda on there. Yes and no. There's too little moderation in some areas and way too much in other areas. If you follow conservative politics, someone can say something like "men are women are biologically different" and they'll have their account banned for a catch-all "hate speech" violation. Meanwhile, someone can say "Trump should be ass…

I think there's actually value in keeping the propaganda but maybe flagging and delisting it. Hell, I think you shouldn't be able to delete either you can maybe add an addendum or follow up for an apology or something but when bad people like Trump and Putin have an easy platform like this it's possible at some point they're going to say the "quiet part" aloud.

Like someone live streaming a crime spree. When it's easier to self incriminate maybe more justice gets met, maybe not.

It's a two edged sword. The best way I think would be use ai to basically score people based on maybe a political compass like with an x and y score then you at least can know a bit about the history and motives of someone.

Plus this would make finding bots easier because if you examine 3 month intervals and someone is top left of political compass then from to bottom right in a wild swing then back to something else it's likely they're playing multiple voices to stir up shit.

Then all your comments have a color or badge representative of your ideals. Could also score things like empathy.

That way also you could have a vote tally that's by side and a unified score.

At least then you kinda know everyone's motives or leanings so you know what to expect. Like I know how convos are going to go when I talk to my right wing family why not normalize knowing how you relate to a perfect stranger based on previous interactions they've had.

Of course this could lead to a dystopian social credit system that would be horrible..

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