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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by strogonoff »

nottorp wrote: post #418
strogonoff wrote: post #416

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It fails on some points. There is a login screen (you must periodically connect to Microsoft’s servers), and accounts are reportedly locked until players provide Microsoft their phone number. The chat reporting feature being discussed here is a further example of restrictions on what you can do with the game you bought. If the free-to-play microtransaction-supported model is more financially appealing than allowing c…

> Next they will say because OSS allows bypassing or cheating the reporting they must close the source and limit mod API. Not exactly on topic but what you say is funny. Minecraft Java has never been open source. Mods are done by decompiling the official jar, applying patches and recompiling back. I'm sure it's not explicitly allowed by whatever legalese surrounds MC. This all goes for the one true Minecraft version,…

Didn’t know that. This means patching the game is trickier than I assumed. Newfound respect for mod developers.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by nottorp »

strogonoff wrote: post #421
nottorp wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Next they will say because OSS allows bypassing or cheating the reporting they must close the source and limit mod API. Not exactly on topic but what you say is funny. Minecraft Java has never been open source. Mods are done by decompiling the official jar, applying patches and recompiling back. I'm sure it's not explicitly allowed by whatever legalese surrounds MC. This all goes for the one true Minecraft version,…

Didn’t know that. This means patching the game is trickier than I assumed. Newfound respect for mod developers.

This decompiling stuff is new. Back in the 1.7 days I helped my daughter understand how to unpack jars, add stuff by hand from the mod authors and pack them back. Now it's automatic.

There are even mods that provide some sort of API and plugin system for other mods to use :)

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by capitainenemo »

boredpudding wrote: post #325
causalmodels wrote: post #218

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Can you name a single moderation system that operates on this scale that will not automatically ban someone for getting mass reported? This is a fairly well known phenomenon.

In this case, the reports need to include messages by the person who is being reported. This is verified with private/public keys. To be mass reported, you need to be on a server with all the people who want to report you. Honestly, Mojang built this system well, and seeing Hacker News full of assumptions is really disappointing.

People are recounting actual real instances of abuse. Both here and youtube creators. And it seems pretty plausible. This is basically enabling online bullying and lynch mobs. You only have to join one negative server to get banned from everything everywhere. I think this would be more forgiveable if it was an autoban from the place you were misbehaving, or if the bans were default limited in length without a detailed appeal process involving the person whose account was being stolen servers could opt out of the ban process so at least you could still play with friends at home.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by ragazzina »

mountainb wrote: post #367

Unbelievable how many people here are defending the centralized chat moderation a priori. You would think that HN would support the ideal of distributed server administration.

On HN defending the corporation seems to be the default. It looks like an American mindset to me, but I've seen some of my (I'm from Europe) friends do it as well.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by nazgulsenpai »

Kiro wrote: post #278
orsond wrote: post #88

Hi, orsond from the fifth column here. The Fifth Column is a Minecraft hacking and griefing group. We created Project Copenhiemer which is a Minecraft server scanning tool. Copenhiemer scans the internet every 20 minutes for minecraft servers, logs players, server versions, mods and more. Originally we had created it to find players and grief their server worlds, highlighting how much information about players is lea…

The absolute worst people in the gaming scene (griefers) complaining about this must mean it's a good thing. Why do you enjoy ruining people's servers?

Judging someone as a person on another platform based on how they profess to play a video game seems a bit misguided.

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Post by theknocker »

ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by lightsandaounds »

johannboehme wrote: post #304
lightsandaounds wrote: post #147

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I understand your point, but I would be upset if I took my family to Chuck E Cheese's and there was a table full of adults loudly talking about their raunchy escapades from the night before. I think it is a fair assumption that a child's game will have clean chat.

1. A cool game comes out. 2. I love to play the game with my adult friends. 3. as the game gets more mainstream attention, more and more kids join in. 4. I have to moderate myself because some stupid parent determined that it's now a "kids" game and everyone should cater to their crotchrats. Why does this keep happening to all games i like? I know minecraft might be an extreme example because it has simple graphics a…

> 4. I have to moderate myself because some stupid parent determined that it's now a "kids" game and everyone should cater to their crotchrats.

I'm sorry, but I can't imagine being this upset at children. If I'm at a bar and I see a kid walk in, yes I will act differently because they are in earshot. It doesn't matter that the child is in an adult space.

"Well I was here first" is such an immature dismissal of acknowledging how your community is changing.

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Post by watwut »

vintermann wrote: post #330
watwut wrote: post #316

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The most plausible scenario is that they are. It is not like it would be difficult or required special knowledge to open minecraft and play with the chat on. 10 years old are fully capable of playing without chat with one friends group and with chat an hour later.

A 10 year old can easily outsmart a cororation's bureaucratic, mostly automated chat reporting system. And once they have, yeah, fake reports will probably outnumber the real ones.

Genuinely, nah. They are not that smart. Kids are not dumb either, but their are not sophisticated at all. They can lie, but very very few of them in any sophisticated way.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by riskable »

lightsandaounds wrote: post #428
johannboehme wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. A cool game comes out. 2. I love to play the game with my adult friends. 3. as the game gets more mainstream attention, more and more kids join in. 4. I have to moderate myself because some stupid parent determined that it's now a "kids" game and everyone should cater to their crotchrats. Why does this keep happening to all games i like? I know minecraft might be an extreme example because it has simple graphics a…

> 4. I have to moderate myself because some stupid parent determined that it's now a "kids" game and everyone should cater to their crotchrats. I'm sorry, but I can't imagine being this upset at children. If I'm at a bar and I see a kid walk in, yes I will act differently because they are in earshot. It doesn't matter that the child is in an adult space. "Well I was here first" is such an immature dismissal of acknow…

A more apt comparison would be you enjoying a drink in your own home (your server) and then because kids starting playing outside you'd be banned from your home for drinking there. Forever.
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