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EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

No idea if it is past vaporware but there is Elio motors

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I’m shocked at the number of people paying EV prices. The Model Y is just about the only EV SUV that you can go out and buy right now, and it starts at $68k. The math does not support this price premium. You will not save money. This is before considering that it will cost several thousand to have a charger installed, and to say nothing of the other drawbacks of EV ownership. My prediction is that EV penetration will…

Ownership also doesn't make economic sense. Battery replacement after 10-15 years negates any gas savings in that period. People are just buying the fad. They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants.

Where I live most electricity comes from hydro and wind. The main reason I got an EV though was not striving to be green. It's just so much nicer to drive. I also like how I can pretty much neglect the running costs. Like, how much I drive has negligible impact on my monthly budget.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-speed_vehicle

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I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> EVs are much heavier than their equivalent ICE vehicles. This is not true. The Tesla Model 3 is the same weight as a BMW 3 series (~3,600-4,100lbs depending on trim level). Yes EVs carry a half ton of batteries, but they get rid of the engine block, transmission, starter motor, fuel tank, alternator, exhaust system, and many other parts. Also many combustion vehicles made today are hybrids, meaning they also carry…

You're comparing a single EV that's light for it's class with a single gas car that's heavy for it's class.

Why not compare the 3 series (1800kg) with the electric 3 series (2200kg)? Or compare the Corsa (1094kg) with the electric Corsa-e (1455kg)

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Where do you guys live? Here in Sweden we have a small bell on the steering you ring when you want to pass. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=iphone_b...

The problem with bells is that people tend to act very unpredictable; you never know whether they freeze or jump left or right.

They will freeze for a moment, then jump left, then right.

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As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

> Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently downplaying the problem of charging access. I see the opposite. Every single discussion of EVs, people come out of the woodwork with all the edgecases/usecaes where current EVs don't fare so favourably to ICEs. Guess what! EVs don't have to be perfect in every scenario to be better for…

Let me add one more, and I don't think it's an edge case but for some reason nobody talks about it - a large percentage of people just don't want them. That, to me, is the biggest blocker of adoption. Most of the other arguments people have against EVs are engineering problems that would be solved quickly if demand was high enough - but demand is not high, only 2.5% of automobile sales in the US were EVs last year, and only 1% of the automobiles on the road today are EVs.

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The problem with bells is that people tend to act very unpredictable; you never know whether they freeze or jump left or right.

They will freeze for a moment, then jump left, then right.

That's also possible.

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I thought EVs still had a 12v battery. Is that not charged via an alternator? I admit it seems more sensible to charge it direct from the battery pack, but then it seems more sensible to me to do away with the 12v battery all together. So if you're going to have a 12v battery it may aswell be completely independent of the main battery pack.

> Is that not charged via an alternator? No, it's generally directly from main battery pack when the car is turned on, or when the car is charging. I would guses some models can also charge it now and then when the car is off, since some models are always connected to a cellular network. > but then it seems more sensible to me to do away with the 12v battery all together. No, no, no.. You need 12V when the car is off…

Hyundai already removed it (kind of) from some of their hybrid ICE cars! I say kind of because they just combined it with the traction battery and designed it to last the life of the car (using lithium instead of lead acid).

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Loading our power infrastructure with the needs of tens of millions of cars which now rely on gasoline/diesel but which, in the future, will need electric power in order to function is downright criminal in this current geo-political climate. First, we don't even have the resources to provide electric power at decent prices as things are right now, that's why your nice 70-year lady living with her 2 cats in a house i…

How much electricity does an oil refinery require to create 1 litre of petrol?

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More inconvenient facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_OLgC4nV0 88,000 people in perhaps 50,000 vehicles all taking the ONE road out of town. Some kind companies setup fuel trucks by the roadside to top up tanks. Gas delivery can be scaled up and even made portable in an emergency. Had those 50,000 vehicles all been EVs, tens of thousands of people would…

88,000 people in perhaps 50,000 vehicles all taking the ONE road out of town. That's an interesting point. We see this a couple of times a year in the United States — tens, or even hundreds of thousands of people evacuating because of an approaching hurricane. It takes hours and hours and hours to go not very far. And when you finally get someplace with an open hotel room, it's hundreds of miles away. Although I beli…

Something else to consider is that EVs can remain idle in traffic without consuming much battery. They're not constantly consuming fuel like most ICE vehicles.
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