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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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I'm an atheist, and I intensely disagree with the sexualisation of everything in our society dressed as a new sexual revolution, and see it as a direct effect of capitalism. What say you

I think you'll have to expand a bit on that. 1)Government makes companies liable for hosted third party content 2)Companies set up workflows to detect said content 3)??? 4)Blame capitalism

1. People like sexy things 2. Companies make or facilitate sexy things 3. Blame capitalism.

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I keep telling anyone who will listen that they need to move every aspect of their online identity away from the big tech giants, and make sure that each type of service (email, webpage, memory storage, document storage, backups, contacts, etc) is compartmentalized in such a way that if one gets removed then it wont affect the others in any way. Imagine having all your memories in the form of images and videos taken…

My pictures and videos are synced to iCloud, Google Photos, and MS OneDrive. My photos are synced to Amazon Drive too.

I just do real time photos to iCloud or google, and full backup of everything to backblaze.

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There is very much such a thing as “cloud computing”. The “cloud” isn’t just a bunch of VMs. There is an entire offering on top of the VMs. Your average consumer is not going to spin up a bunch of Linode VMs and create their own backup solutions.

slip of the tongue/keyboard. It was obviously supposed to read "There's no such thing as cloud storage, just somebody else's computer." It's a fairly well known phrase[0][1]. It's even a laptop sticker[2]. And no, they're not going to spin up a VM. They should buy their own NAS and back everything up to that if they care enough about privacy to avoid cloud storage. [0] https://pocketnow.com/no-such-thing-as-the-cloud…

Just because it is well known doesn’t make it true. S3 alone is made up of 100+ microservices

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> Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son’s first years of life, his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier. Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn’t get the security codes he needed to sign in to other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.…

Moved where? Not to iCloud, I hope? Self-hosting mail, calendar and media is too complex task for 99% of population. This is not a solution.

Someone needs to put together a single-click Docker-Compose-type solution that will work on any Digital-Ocean-type shared host.

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Google's arrogance here is astonishing. The police say no fault, and it's the subject of an NYT investigation, and they still won't restore the account. What hope do the rest of us have?

I've been an Android user for a long time, but I think this might finally push me to switch to Apple. I'm just disgusted by this.

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Is it your claim that one medium sized city somehow has a bigger problem than the nation it exists within? Baltimore has 10,000,000 people. The United States is larger by a factor of thirty three .

I thought for a second I was crazy not knowing that Baltimore was the largest city in the US Baltimore has a population of 600k not 10m, you're off by a factor of 13

Yeah no idea where I got that Number. Maryland isn’t even 10m people. But that makes Baltimore being Americas biggest problem even more unbelievable.

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I suppose it’s defensive behavior. If they admit their mistake now then they could potentially be liable for the damages caused by their mistake years ago. Now any lawsuit would need to determine if there was an error and harm instead of just quantifying the harm. I’d like to contribute to a crowdsource fund to prosecute cases like this. When I was a kid the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund [0] was set up to pay for law…

7000$ is a pitance. Maybe this case is simple, but many will not be. Say they raid a house and confiscate a hard drive. Encrypted or not, that is going to be a huge thing. Arguments will be made about whether anything incriminating was stored on that drive. Just google the cost of a forensic expert witness. Both sides will need one. Such costs are actually why so many police agencies are backing off of CP investigati…

Lucky for many to consider $7k a pittance. Probably a pittance to most HN participants, but certainly not for everyone.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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What is not explained in the article is how the telehealth's services came in contact with Google's image-scanning to begin with.

Is this not a huge breach of HIPAA?

Telehealth is sort of done for if randos at bug tech can find there way into your sexual health records.

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> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

The article mentions two independent instances of this process within Google, where appeal is not possible even with a police report that completely exonerates the suspect. It sounds to me as if a class action lawsuit is the most appropriate remedy for the unfortunates who are caught in this predicament. Their only problem is finding each other. For the rest of us, it is unwise to use cloud storage for photos, for se…

Cloud storage for anything valuable.

Note that it was the telehealth provider who provided the images to Google in the first place, not the SF techie dad.

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What do you think is the ratio of innocent to nefarious pictures of naked children Google encounters in aggregate? This is relevant to how outraged one should be by this story. I think it is probably > 1:100000. As such, probably not much outrage is warranted, although it’s obviously not great for this one guy.

Somehow I think there more parents who sometimes need to take a photo of their naked children than there are paedophiles. Or at least the ratio is clearly not 1:100000, maybe more like closer to 1:10. You would need statistics how many times google have reported police and how many times it have turned out to be a false alarm. Does google even keep record of false alarms? Most likely they don't to avoid responsibilit…

I'd expect it to be a lot lower than 1:10. All parents have nude children at some point, they're sort of made that way. The number of pedophiles is higher than anyone wants it to be but it's not 1:10 the number of parents or they'd be a voting bloc. Probably 1:10000
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