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Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by bredren »

sorenjan wrote: post #411
bredren wrote: post #133

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Given your experiences, I'm curious about your and parent's feedback on the following: * What are your current top alternative make / models? * If you have some you're tracking, which make / models are you most anticipating?

Look at Polestar, VW, Kia, and Hyundai. Hyundai released their Ioniq 6 today.

Thanks for this. I checked out a YT video about Ioniq 6 and was interested enough to look for the official page. (that matte black one looks pretty cool) [1]

But oof, the web site is just terrible. I can't imagine the effort that went into that car and then have it be paired with what they've come up with there.

I hope that competition rises to the level of Tesla on the product presentation / ordering side as well.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGlmdcS8bZU

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by zaroth »

eslaught wrote: post #158
TheDong wrote: post #100

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> You could cause absolute chaos by driving down the road broadcasting false messages Even without self-driving cars, an "attacker" can go into a theater and yell "fire" and cause a stampede. They can get a high-viz vest and clipboard, and stand in intersections directing cars to take detours they don't need and holding up traffic. My point here is that society has a lot of trust baked in. We trust people don't just…

Those attacks don't scale. They're also tied to a person or people who need to be physically present, making it possible to arrest them. The consequences of potential attacks on centrally-orchestrated traffic are a lot more severe. Hack the control node, and you can stop traffic nation-wide. Or cause mass accidents that overwhelm first responders. And they can be executed by anyone, anywhere in the world, for a cost…

An attacker can already do this, at scale. Whether it be overriding traffic lights to show green in all directions, or taking down critical air traffic control systems.

It’s like arguing that we can’t possibly build autonomous cars because then someone might turn it into an autonomous bomb.

Keep in mind that solving this is “worth” about 40,000 lives a year in the US - nearly $1 trillion in economic damages a year in life and property.

Bad things can always be done with good tools. As always, you provide layers of protection that make sense and in the end must rely on the underlying fabric of civilization to persevere.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by aaaaaaaaaaab »

tootie wrote: post #20
impulser_ wrote: post #8

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Yeah, but Google's vision + lidar tech also doesn't seem any better at solving it either. They have been working on this problem the longest and they aren't even confident enough to produce a product with it. Google is probably the leader in AI and AI research. They are also the leader in data and mapping. They have billions of cash to play with. Yet it seem like they haven't gotten any closer at solving this problem…

Probably because it's really, really, really hard to solve the thousands of edge cases that occur in real-world driving situations. I don't think FSD happens until government gets behind it and starts putting infrastructure behind it. If we start building roads (and cars) to be highly visible to AI one way or another, it all becomes much easier.

>If we start building roads (and cars) to be highly visible to AI one way or another, it all becomes much easier.

Or we could build 1-dimensional roads, which would make the AI's jobs much easier. Like, we could put down two parallel piece of metal, which vehicles could "hook" onto somehow...

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by 93po »

rlt wrote: post #410
moralestapia wrote: post #294

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Yes, but Steve Jobs delivered. He was rude and whatnot, but far from a fraud.

You don’t think SpaceX and Tesla have delivered quite a lot? FSD is really the only big project I can think of this far behind, and maybe Cybertruck. I don’t think it’s fair to ignore all his other accomplishments.

HN safely ignores anything positive about Elon because they prefer to think the richest man on the planet is both an idiot and also a failure in everything he does

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by barrysteve »

rlt wrote: post #410
moralestapia wrote: post #294

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Yes, but Steve Jobs delivered. He was rude and whatnot, but far from a fraud.

You don’t think SpaceX and Tesla have delivered quite a lot? FSD is really the only big project I can think of this far behind, and maybe Cybertruck. I don’t think it’s fair to ignore all his other accomplishments.

Solar rooftops hasn't gone anywhere. Boring company and Hyperloop didn't go anywhere.

Let's face it Neuralink isn't going anywhere too.

Tesla wasn't started by Musk and relies heavily on Panasonic battery developments and SpaceX and Starlink is good old fashioned ex-NASA and MIT talent.

What does Musk actually do? Annoy the SEC, go on Joe Rogan to smoke weed and have more girlfriends per hour than Gengis Khan?

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by realitysballs »

impulser_ wrote: post #8
codechicago277 wrote: post #3

Tesla has bet the company on robotaxis, but their vision only tech stack doesn’t seem capable of solving it, which is a problem because Tesla has repeatedly promised FSD is right around the corner, or less than a year away. It’s hard to believe Karpathy would step down if he felt they were close to solving the problem anytime soon. This announcement comes after a 4 month sabbatical where Karpathy said he wanted to ta…

Yeah, but Google's vision + lidar tech also doesn't seem any better at solving it either. They have been working on this problem the longest and they aren't even confident enough to produce a product with it. Google is probably the leader in AI and AI research. They are also the leader in data and mapping. They have billions of cash to play with. Yet it seem like they haven't gotten any closer at solving this problem…

Answer me this;

How is AI supposed to confidently distinguish a real stop sign from someone/something holding up a picture of a stop sign?

Yes, this is a weird edge case, but I think it gets at the core issue being that it takes way more sophistication to release this tech into the wild then ppl would like to admit.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by rlt »

barrysteve wrote: post #425
rlt wrote: post #410

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You don’t think SpaceX and Tesla have delivered quite a lot? FSD is really the only big project I can think of this far behind, and maybe Cybertruck. I don’t think it’s fair to ignore all his other accomplishments.

Solar rooftops hasn't gone anywhere. Boring company and Hyperloop didn't go anywhere. Let's face it Neuralink isn't going anywhere too. Tesla wasn't started by Musk and relies heavily on Panasonic battery developments and SpaceX and Starlink is good old fashioned ex-NASA and MIT talent. What does Musk actually do? Annoy the SEC, go on Joe Rogan to smoke weed and have more girlfriends per hour than Gengis Khan?

Ok troll.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by barrysteve »

rlt wrote: post #427
barrysteve wrote: post #425

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Solar rooftops hasn't gone anywhere. Boring company and Hyperloop didn't go anywhere. Let's face it Neuralink isn't going anywhere too. Tesla wasn't started by Musk and relies heavily on Panasonic battery developments and SpaceX and Starlink is good old fashioned ex-NASA and MIT talent. What does Musk actually do? Annoy the SEC, go on Joe Rogan to smoke weed and have more girlfriends per hour than Gengis Khan?

Ok troll.

If you had a point you wouldn't be so flippant.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by rlt »

barrysteve wrote: post #428
rlt wrote: post #427

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Ok troll.

If you had a point you wouldn't be so flippant.

I made my point. Pointing to additional examples of grandiosity (some might call ambition) doesn't invalidate it. Neither do attacks on his character or lame arguments like "Tesla wasn't started by Musk" ignoring that he grew the company from 4 people to 100,000 people. Or that somehow recruiting large amounts of NASA and MIT talent is a bad thing? That's good leadership.

Seriously? Either you're trolling or you have some irrational hatred of the guy.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by highwaylights »

caymanjim wrote: post #89
highwaylights wrote: post #66

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What if we just, you know, walk a bit more instead? Or even cycle? I hear great things.

Clearly you live in a large city and find everything you want there.

Semi-rural. Everything I need is within walking distance. I can take a very short car trip for larger groceries or have them delivered inexpensively.
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