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Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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What are the benefits vs. deadweight losses of a copyright-maximalist regime? Who benefits? Who loses? And to what extent? And what would the net total cost of rectifying any shift of advantage to a copyright-minmalist regime be? For that last, look to the net total annual revenues of commercial media. And keep in mind that we're carrying out this discussion on a technological ecosystem founded in very large part on…

> And keep in mind that we're carrying out this discussion on a technological ecosystem founded in very large part on FSF Free Software / Open Source software. That's about as relevant as saying we should keep in mind we are carrying out this conversation on hardware mostly made in China (and most free software is also written on hardware made in China) so perhaps that is where we should be looking for answers.

No, it's not.

Your comment above suggested that stripping direct profit motive and incentives from copyright would produce a net harm. The Free Software model is based on the premise that stripping most exclusive rights under copyright, and specifically the ability to create new copies of, and new derivatives of works, is actually a net benefit to society, and often to the original author of a work who benefits by the collaborative and collective development and advancement of it.

One of the more fascinating characteristics of not only the Web but modern computing is that it's been the abandonment of proprietary interest in works (code, standards, protocols, operating systems) which have delivered the greatest value. AT&T did not voluntarily relinquish UNIX to the world, it was forced to do so under a 1950s US antitrust decree which granted the firm its monopoly in telecommunications but forbade it from engaging in the computer business.

https://www.softpanorama.org/History/Unix/unix_chonology.sht...

Arpanet, IETF, the GNU Project, TBL's CERN document-distribution project, Linux, multiple programming languages, and other elements are all based on the notion of non-proprietary ownership rights to the extent that free use and (generally) modification are permitted, often with little further restriction (MIT/BSD licenses), or with the requirement that further distribution also requires source availability in preferred form for making modifications (GNU GPL, AGPL, etc.).

That is: my comment was salient to the (implied) central fallacy of your previous statement. A foundation which your subsequent replies suggest is in fact your point.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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As a musician and filmmaker I see it like this: once my work is published I stop to be in total control of it. That means I cannot control (or sometimes even know ) what paths my works will take, how it is being understood, who will do what with it etc. Of course I like to be credited for my work — but some fan adding my work to a pirate page would not be a concern but rather a bit flattering. What would anger me wou…

You're being short-sighted if you think you're going to be able to sell material in the future if the recording company or studio goes out of business. The only reason they have money to support you is because the public supports them.

Huh? I do sell material right now without any recording company or studio in the loop. Why would that change if they go bust? If anything the demand for people like me would increase.

There are quite some hoops small self publishers have to jump through to get their music sold in a way it can actually interfere with the big corps in that space. These hoops are all there to make the market entrance harder, they are not there to protect artists.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #231

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As a musician and filmmaker I see it like this: once my work is published I stop to be in total control of it. That means I cannot control (or sometimes even know ) what paths my works will take, how it is being understood, who will do what with it etc. Of course I like to be credited for my work — but some fan adding my work to a pirate page would not be a concern but rather a bit flattering. What would anger me wou…

You're being short-sighted if you think you're going to be able to sell material in the future if the recording company or studio goes out of business. The only reason they have money to support you is because the public supports them.

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Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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You're being short-sighted if you think you're going to be able to sell material in the future if the recording company or studio goes out of business. The only reason they have money to support you is because the public supports them.

Huh? I do sell material right now without any recording company or studio in the loop. Why would that change if they go bust? If anything the demand for people like me would increase. There are quite some hoops small self publishers have to jump through to get their music sold in a way it can actually interfere with the big corps in that space. These hoops are all there to make the market entrance harder, they are no…

Before refreshing the thread I wondered if I was overlooking something in your earlier post, it feels so strange to me to assume a record company/studio are involved!

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Imagine for a split second an idea of value that doesn't start and end with private profit

I get what you're saying by this, but I think OC is just being practical. This is the world we live in. It's shit and I hate it, but if you want something done, 9 times out of 10 you need to consider these questions

Uhm ok. And how about we establish a cooperative, open access economy and transcend this shit world most people hate to live in.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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But automatically replacing a valid word with a less-common valid word that makes less sense in the context is not something predictive text should do.

You are presuming it was an automatic replacement. Some still type entire words via a thing called a keyboard, on a computer, others manually pick words to finish, from suggestions, not automatically. Beyond that, google searches are not indicative of current usage, in SMS/messages, emails, etc. Google search spans all webpages, and many text pre-web too.

Yes, the comment I replied to with the numbers says "No room for auto-correct?". Autocorrect is the topic of this subthread.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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I assume they are referring to the fact that books older than about 70 years are in the public domain. The rest are protected by copyright and not free.

I think so too, but I am referring to this statement: > The overwhelming majority of our knowledge is in the public domain

if we talk about biology, absolutely not, but most of high school students won't finish basic physics, so this make sense in some region

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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I suspect Russia could now help with this one :-)

But why would it, really? At this point it absolutely plans to rejoin world economy once things "blow over". And if becomes clear that it's not going to happen - there is even less reason to host some books in foreign languages that probably have "extremist" content in them.

Because they can; same reason anybody else might host it, except for Russia it's easier because you can ignore the law.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Imagine for a split second an idea of value that doesn't start and end with private profit

I'm a writer. I can imagine it. But the landlord, grocer, car dealer and pretty much everyone else dealing in physical things wants me to pay for what I consume. I'm not independently wealthy. The only reason I can afford to write books is because the publisher pays me. The only reason the publisher can pay me is because people buy the books. I can guarantee you that this type of behavior means I'm writing fewer book…

I understand your point but it is time for the system to change. Most writers in traditional publishing get 50 cents or a dollar for every sold book. My wife wrote a chapter in a science book that is being sold for over $100 and she received...nothing!

Everybody deserves to be paid for their work and I would argue that this is more about preserving knowledge than it is about not having the writers get what they deserve.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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I get what you're saying by this, but I think OC is just being practical. This is the world we live in. It's shit and I hate it, but if you want something done, 9 times out of 10 you need to consider these questions

Uhm ok. And how about we establish a cooperative, open access economy and transcend this shit world most people hate to live in.

how do you propose we do that
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