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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Any chance you'll eventually have a Framework with a 'clickier' keyboard and a trackpoint like the x220? I will happily buy your product the next time my x220 dies (instead of upgrading it) if it has the nice clicky keyboard and a trackpoint. A slightly thicker laptop is very much a fair trade-off.

I'd totally buy a Framework mainboard if I could squeeze it into my old x220 case.

Oh yeah this would be an option too.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

The Trackpoint seems redundant to me because I can manipulate the trackpad with my thumb without leaving the home row, and for me it's faster and more comfortable than a Trackpoint. Using your thumb to control the trackpad works better on Mac laptops because the Force Touch trackpad allows you to press anywhere to click. Most PC laptops have a "diving board" click mechanism which means it gets progressively harder to…

how do you scroll with just your thumb? how do you paste into your terminal?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Same. Everytime I get excited about Framework, Syste7m6, etc... and then get sad. I fully understand I'm a vanishing minority, But trackpoint is such a productivity booster for me, and makes such amazing use of space in a laptop format, that it's a must-have (and again, I fully understand that those who don't use Trackpoint will have no comprehension of what am I going on about; I'm a grouchy quirky old man :). Then…

I taught myself just last year to use the trackpoint because I was curious. I turned it off at the BIOS, etc. just to make me use it exclusively. Once I got over the hump, I was surprised. I don't want keyboards anymore without it. I developed a strong muscle memory for it over the year. I'm a grouchy quirky old man, but when it comes to trackpoints, I am new to this quirk :D

Is this on a thinkpad? My HP EliteBook has a track point and I haven't found any config that makes it usable. The tracking is either way too quick or way too slow. And the acceleration curve is either very steep or non-existent.

I've tried it on both Windows and Linux. I realize I'm not used to it, in the beginning I used to have a hard time with mice, too, so maybe it's just a question of habit.

For the moment, the only thing it does is leave a round trace on my screen whenever I close it...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just needs to do a compatible top cover that takes Thinkpad keyboards. I'd take a stupid one without touchpad at all as I just disable it anyway. That shouldn't be too hard, it's mostly getting the plastic right and adapting the connector to the moth…

> Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. And the X1 Fold is a technical marvel (working on Linux support right now, if I'm successful it may become my next toy device to try to use Linux on as a daily driver) > Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just…

> A keyboard qualifies as a "thinkpad keyboard" if has all of the following:

> PageUp above Left, PageDown above Right: to me, that's the most important thing ever!

> PrintScreen between right Alt and right Ctrl: very important too

That's not a proper ThinkPad keyboard at all. That's the new 6-row fake which has 10 fewer keys than a proper ThinkPad keyboard, which is this one: https://laptopkeys.com/uploads/704_1348778226_Lenovo%20t410s...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

Ditto.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#426

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

FYI, we've added support for the framework to nixos-hardware. I appreciate any feedback or improvements anyone has! https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/blob/master/framewor...

Thank you!!!

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#427

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Yeah - whenever somebody makes a good thing and people use it in cool ways, that's submarine marketing for that thing.

Sure, it's entirely a coincidence that both https://github.com/brickbots/framedeck/ and https://github.com/penk/MainboardTerminal published 10 days ago, and they're both referenced in this framework announcement. Convenient for Framework that those two projects came out right before their upgrade launch! But I don't just have my own innate cynicism to go on here! The framedeck project write-up actually contains this…

Maybe it's because they only recently released the motherboard as an individually purchasable component?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#428
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I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Will it be possible to get a keyboard like the Thinkpad. FULL SIZE arrow keys. Menu button next to Right ALT. And PGUP PGDN adjacent to the arrows ? Trackpoint is a bonus

> Menu button next to Right ALT. And PGUP PGDN adjacent to the arrows

Keys can easily be remapped in software, so all you really is the physical keys layout (full size arrows + two keys on either side of the up arrow) and the trackpoint. Menu or PrintScreen or whatever doesn't really matter much.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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When I was at IBM I had a mouse with a trackpoint for scrolling. It was pretty great. I miss being able to move and scroll at variable speeds. https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollection/detail.aspx?id=12... and a paper: https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollection/a/pdf/Zhai%20scro...

It's not the same, but the Logitech MX Master is basically the current version of this. It has two scrollwheels, one for vertical and one for horizontal. They have some interesting tech in them. When moved slowly they click with detents, like normal scrollwheels. But when you move the wheels more quickly they "unlock" to spin freely, you can scroll at a pretty high speed and with good accuracy.

Do the scroll wheels have "weight" to them? In other words, can you give it a good spin and let it keep spinning on its own momentum?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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post #235
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I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Any chance of 15”-16” in near future?

I wondered this too, but they will need a way to be able to plug the same Mainboard into a new chassis such that the Expansion Cards work correctly, or else design a new Mainboard with increased size (or I guess longer Expansion Cards, but that seems silly).
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