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Post by School-Cotton »

dragonwriter wrote: post #402
School-Cotton wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Italy we had 67 different governments since 1946. Colloquially when Americans say “government” they are referring to the entire state, including not just elected officials but professional civil servants, police, courts, intelligence agencies, etc. You have definitely not had 67 different governments since 1946 in the sense that I think was meant.

> Colloquially when Americans say “government” they are referring to the entire state Very consistently, when anyone (including Americans) talks about parliamentary systems, the number of governments or changes of government refer to the same thing as the number of administrations or change of administration when referring to the US system of government. There are other contexts where there might be ambiguity, but th…

First of all, I really disagree — what you say is at most true for the minority of Americans who follow foreign news or have lived abroad. I honestly think if you told my dad “Italy’s government has collapsed” he would think there had been some kind of major catastrophe like a civil war.

Anyway, even if you’re right, it doesn’t matter. Nobody was talking about parliamentary systems or Italy specifically when the person who kicked off this thread warned about “the government” having too much power. It’s absolutely obvious to me that they meant “the state” and were misinterpreted by people who thought the word was being used in its parliamentary sense.

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Post by cvak »

VancouverMan wrote: post #164
hef19898 wrote: post #56

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Because EU recogniced certifcates made travel within the EU possible and, besides some funny rules for border crossings, almost pain free. Just imagine going from Geany to France would require to get your German vaccination certificate recognised by the French first, as one example.

When one set of government-imposed policies artificially inhibits travel, another set of government-imposed policies that artificially adds exceptions to that first set of policies shouldn't be seen as providing salvation. "Travel within the EU" would have been "possible" and "pain free" if the various governments had just not imposed any travel restrictions in the first place.

Yeah exactly! But at least like this, you just have one certificate, and not 5.

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Post by vanderZwan »

kingcharles wrote: post #362
rrdharan wrote: post #260

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That and it’s a fairly racist place in my experience so don’t bother if you think that would affect you.

I think your racism meter is mis-calibrated. Sure, the Dutch are a bit funny about all the Turks in the country, but I find their racism against the Turks to be way lower than say a lot of Americans' racism against Hispanics.

I don't think we should tell someone who implies they have experienced racism first-hand that they haven't experienced racism. Especially if the counter-argument is "other ethnicity I belong to doesn't seem to be treated that badly compared to racism against yet another ethnicity I don't belong to in a different country."

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Post by insta_anon »

op00to wrote: post #387
insta_anon wrote: post #347

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I accidentally (e.g. I didn't know) bought a stolen laptop some time ago. The police came at 05:00am, raided my home with guns drawn and took the laptop. So yes, it does happen in Europe as well.

yikes! Hope you and your family are ok!

All good, after the initial surprise and when they found out that I am neither armed nor a criminal they were quite friendly actually. Still wouldn't want to experience something like this ever again.

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Post by kornhole »

MattJ100 wrote: post #359
kornhole wrote: post #346

How can they scan messages on my xmpp server using OMEMO e2ee?

They can't. They just want to make it illegal for you not to scan them if they decide you are a communication provider and they serve you with what they call a "detection order". If you receive such an order, you have to follow the scanning rules they have laid out.

Thanks. I think it will be a little hard to enforce. I believe tens of thousands of XMPP and Matrix servers are currently running, and they are proliferating. Matrix protocol management is centralized giving authorities a place to apply pressure, but people can still create their own implementations of the standard choosing to include this or not.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

Tade0 wrote: post #382
GekkePrutser wrote: post #348

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Uhm maybe we want to? Not everyone likes rural life. And people in cities use public transport a lot. I don't even own a car myself anymore and haven't driven one in years.

I'm starting to think I've used the wrong units in my comment. 10k people per square kilometre is over twice as dense as an average European city, or around the density of New York. There's a lot of middle ground between that and rural life.

I just think people who are spoiled by thousands of sqft properties with yards big enough for a small dwelling can’t relate to the idea that for many of us, where we sleep isn’t the same space we want to center our lives around. We don’t necessarily need to not ever see or hear other people either.

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Post by kingcharles »

vanderZwan wrote: post #423
kingcharles wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your racism meter is mis-calibrated. Sure, the Dutch are a bit funny about all the Turks in the country, but I find their racism against the Turks to be way lower than say a lot of Americans' racism against Hispanics.

I don't think we should tell someone who implies they have experienced racism first-hand that they haven't experienced racism. Especially if the counter-argument is "other ethnicity I belong to doesn't seem to be treated that badly compared to racism against yet another ethnicity I don't belong to in a different country."

You're right, but the poster above seemed to be talking for a whole population, which I then did too by talking about Americans as a counter-example. It's just that my experience of the Netherlands isn't that they are particularly racist, but if you haven't experienced other cultures then it is easy to lose calibration. Like how a lot of Americans tend to think of the country as number one in a lot of things (e.g. education), but when you visit other countries or explore other cultures you find out your views are miscalibrated.

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Post by mhh__ »

chillingeffect wrote: post #415
mhh__ wrote: post #414

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Because he likes making up cute narratives with usually 0 citations, it's all about the tune, not the words. Lots of people listen to him, he isn't just some guy.

>Lots Same could be said for David Attenborough or Errol Morris, but that's not enough influence to be called "hypernormalization." Shining a light on how power functions is a gnatbite to, say, lawmakers banning abortion and homelessness, enforcing building codes, drafting a generation of males to war, engaging in armed combat against miners, etc. Even a documentarian with a mirrored ideology, say, Steve Bannon could…

David Attenborough does not make the same style of programming that Curtis does.

Curtis has a very specific world view, or world vibe, let's say whereas Attenborough does have views about the world but not much else beyond visual grandeur.

His earlier stuff is definitely better than his more recent work, but I refer specifically to the hypernormalization documentary because it's absolutely full of "Syria this", "Assad this", "[large country or company] decided to do [remarkably simple thing]". Maybe it's right, but the point is that it's structured and edited in a way where he wants to make you feel his argument that the world is being forced into a state of inaction, not convince you that his argument is correct.

In this specific documentary, he is undeniably flying extremely close to the sun in how he presents his argument versus what he is arguing against. He argument is all about the "theys" and the men in palaces, and obviously some decisions are, but some inference one makes in this mindset are simply the result of being fooled by randomness.

Don't get me wrong, I like listening to Adam Curtis docs while I'm working, I just think that he goes too far. When he is covering identifiable flaws he is absolutely brilliant, e.g. his piece on Nick Leeson is really nicely done, when he is kind of mumbling about some kind of incompetent conspiracy to do [something] he is often charismatic but shallow.

Also (a point about documentary filmmaking in general) the use of interviews is actually something I sort of disagree to an extent with unless it's a documentary like the fog of war where it's about a person in particular. It is extremely easy to manipulate interview.

This (https://youtu.be/BBwepkVurCI?t=90) is an extreme example demonstrated by Charlie Brooker, but you can be really subtle. And what if they're lying? What if you end up lying by accident? Trust but verify.

https://youtu.be/itqMwuB8gOk This is an interesting documentary about secret maps and information in Britain. I find it interesting, use my above writing as a barometer for whether that entices you or not.

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Post by zaik »

kornhole wrote: post #425
MattJ100 wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't. They just want to make it illegal for you not to scan them if they decide you are a communication provider and they serve you with what they call a "detection order". If you receive such an order, you have to follow the scanning rules they have laid out.

Thanks. I think it will be a little hard to enforce. I believe tens of thousands of XMPP and Matrix servers are currently running, and they are proliferating. Matrix protocol management is centralized giving authorities a place to apply pressure, but people can still create their own implementations of the standard choosing to include this or not.

> tens of thousands

few hundreds in the federation tops

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