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No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by wildrhythms »

marcosdumay wrote: post #368
cuteboy19 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to be very aggressive against this, dislike and don't recommend every bit of garbage you see otherwise you will be flooded with it

Hum... Maybe you didn't notice all the frenezy, but you can't dislike something anymore. I'm not a very active user, but I think there is no positive "don't show me stuff like this again" action you can do anymore.

You need to prune your suggestions by clicking the three-dot menu on the suggested item and "Don't recommend video". I started this last year and after a week my suggestions cleaned up and are absolutely relevant and high quality to my interests.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by wildrhythms »

cobbal wrote: post #263
douglaswlance wrote: post #178

Hit the 3 dot menu button on a video, then click either "not interested" or don't suggest channel. It only takes a little effort every visit to tune your recommendations.

But even if you hit the "don't recommend" button on every "mix" playlist you see for months, don't expect YT to get the hint. I do wish the algorithm was a bit more tunable, but that's not really the Google way.

The 'Mix' feature makes no sense to me. It's all videos I've seen before. It should be called 'Rerun'.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by wildrhythms »

hunter-gatherer wrote: post #357

Wait... I still see a "Dislike" button on Youtube. I'm not on often, but I have one now.

The 'Dislike' still exists; people complain that the dislike count was removed. Presumably Youtube still uses dislikes to tune suggestions, but who can be sure? Personally I found the dislike count quite useful.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by gilmore606 »

rchaud wrote: post #315

Three dot menu button > Don't Recommend Channel That's all it takes on Android and desktop Firefox browser. I've been on Youtube since 2006 and never needed to use the Dislike button. Just zap 'em with "Don't Recommend" and you'll never see it again.

> Three dot menu button

In the biz we call this the "trident wound", spread the word.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by SkyMarshal »

Whenever I come across a channel with clickbait title or content, I just select "Do not recommend this channel".

For Youtube I go by the 1-strike rule: One clickbait vid, and I block it. I want the consistently good and trustworthy channels to start showing up in my stream/timeline/whatever.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by wildrhythms »

OOPMan wrote: post #244

I must confess I haven't noticed a huge difference... although that's mostly because I tend to watch from the channels I'm subbed to a not much else.

I think a large part of it is people mindlessly clicking on and watching low-quality, clickbait, garbage content videos, combined with Youtube's algo aggressively assuming it's their new favorite thing and thus flooding their suggestions with that topic. The other issue is that it is possible to tune your suggestions and tell Youtube you're not interested on a suggestion, but people don't know how to do that, or they feel it's too time consuming to weed out the bad suggestions.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by rg111 »

viraptor wrote: post #205
rg111 wrote: post #173

I never trusted YT algorithm or any recommendation algorithms for that matter. I always watch YT videos straight from search results or links that I get sent. I always kept my watch history and search history off. Recommendation algorithms are not tuned to serve niche users but want to maximize watch duration from maximum number of viewers. YT tells me several times a month that I have search histories turned off and…

> Recommendation algorithms are not tuned to serve niche users I'm not sure that's correct either. I have some niche interests and I'm pretty happy with the recommendations. Things I actually watch definitely influence my future recommendations (actually got interested in some cool new topics because of that).

Sorry, should have been more clear. My bad.

What I meant was if an algorithm had to "choose" between _trying_ to maximize views over all videos over all users, and _trying_ to maximize niche users' watch time, it would choose the former. That is what I think is true.

I, of course, do not know about YT's algo, but I did work in RecSys's in the past.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by 8589934591 »

I use this https://returnyoutubedislike.com/ . But from another comment it looks like these addons use their own database... It has helped me so far.

Apart from this if you want to turn off recommended videos and comments and hide your front page from displaying anything except the search bar, you can use the following filters on ublock origin. I have enabled/disabled according to my needs. I've included the source comment as well if you want to explore more.

I've noticed that I now only search what I need and that helps with my productivity.

  # https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21026069

  # this is for blocking home page thumbnails videos
  youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype='home']

  youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer
  youtube.com##app-drawer
  youtube.com##ytd-item-section-renderer.ytd-comments

  # side hamburger menu all details
  #youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer

  # side home/subscription etc icons
  youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer

  youtube.com##ytd-topbar-menu-button-renderer
  youtube.com###buttons.ytd-masthead

  # hamburger menu
  #youtube.com##yt-icon-button

  youtube.com##.ytp-endscreen-content

  # https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24506515

  #    youtube.com##.ytp-suggestions
  #    youtube.com##.ytp-pause-overlay
  #    youtube.com##.videowall-endscreen
  #    youtube.com###related
  #    youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"]

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by ikiris »

creatonez wrote: post #355
hbbio wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously, the guy is just ripping StackOverflow. His "latest" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtqJq0OF8eA Is a poorly generated copy/paste of: https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1644... Probably a tiny Python script. Google is prompt to ban other accounts, hope some Googlers around here can can do something...

> hope some Googlers around here can can do something... Has google ever escalated a low-level issue mentioned on social media, without the need for a huge tweetstorm combined with bad media coverage?

Yes absolutely, just have to have the right SRE see it. That isn't really what should be the workflow though.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by asddubs »

wildrhythms wrote: post #419
asddubs wrote: post #37

get the extension "BlockTube" and block any channel that does this. after a while your feed will get noticably better. People are saying not to click but IMO it doesn't work that well. I make a point of never clicking on any video title like that, and still kept getting flooded My favorite pattern is saying "THIS" and withholding what exactly the video is about - once I saw it used twice in a title and it just cracke…

FYI there is an option for this built into the Youtube suggestions. Hover over a suggestion > three dot menu > Don't recommend channel. I use this option, as well as the "Don't recommend video" option in combination for a year, and my suggestions are almost always relevant and high quality every time I log in. The few low quality videos that slip into the suggestions, I immediately prune them and block the channel to…

I don't have a youtube account
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