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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by trapnii »

dmitriid wrote: post #397
trapnii wrote: post #383

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the part where "he" is wrong, is the part where he tells everyone that his reference software can be compared to a real terminal. You cannot compare shoes with towels, nor cats with a TV. The tiling renderer "he" wrote as part of the reference software to demo isn't that bad as a product (to some degree), but that piece of software is garbage, as it has zero use. And almost none of the techniques "he" brags about can…

> the part where "he" is wrong, is the part where he tells everyone that his reference software can be compared to a real terminal He very clearly states that his implementation is a terminal renderer . > And almost none of the techniques "he" brags about can be applied to a real terminal Elsewhere one of the people from the screenshots says "we implemented the same approach" because these techniques can be and have…

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by dralley »

lawl wrote: post #346
bena wrote: post #210

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Yeah, DHowett's and LHeckler's responses were kind of dickish, but Casey's own words, tone, and attitude aren't doing him any favors either. Casey happens to be right on the technical issue in this case and people are just glossing over all the ways in which he was also wrong. Now, personally, I believe it was the WT Team's responsibility to let it go as they're representatives of a larger organization and as such ho…

I've read this github issue fully https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 and casey seemed very reasonable to me, possibly except maybe the last message. Apart from that, i don't really see an issue with the tone or attitude tbh.

The salt was primarily reserved for a series of followup videos he made, and twitter. You're right that his conduct on the issue itself was mostly fine.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by mikestew »

ghusbands wrote: post #74

This is worse than it looks, since the person who wrote the blog post is the same person who insulted the dev, and is the same person who joined that dev's related discord under a pseudonym. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/cmuratori/status/1522471966929653761

And here we all thought they disbanded the Microsoft Munchkins[0] 25 years ago. I guess they're back for a reunion tour.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_OS/2#Analysis

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by mav88 »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #408
mav88 wrote: post #256

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You're a liar. The entire thread on github [1] shows that it is a technical discussion about the unacceptably slow performance of virtual terminal sequences in Windows. Solutions are kicked around and debated until a Microsoft person steps in and calls what is essentially a weekend fix a 'doctoral research project' and accuses Casey of being 'combative'. Casey is rightly annoyed by this, closes the bug report and goe…

I don't believe Casey was being combative in the original thread, but ... > And yes, the New York Times is no better than reading Twitter. You're high as a kite if you believe that. Toking the dankest shit anyone's ever toked, long deep inhalations. You're dropping LSD you got from your friend's friend who you think is homeless and you're not sure what it's laced with. You're consuming craft psilocybin perfected in t…

I'm a perfectly sane and sober individual, mrtranscendence. I think it's you who might need to ease up on the mind-altering stuff. Besides, I know the New York Times is a crock of shit because it's lied about me several times on its front page. So I have personal experience.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by trapnii »

bfgoodrich wrote: post #250
KennyBlanken wrote: post #227

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https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 The original discussion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way the Casey individual approaches it. At all. And yes it is simple . If your basic text terminal gets 30 FPS on modern hardware (or worse), you have started with a bad foundation. That is just gross. The NYT commentary is a bit hilarious as you see that claim on here daily, repeatedly.

> And yes it is simple.

I like. Please submit a PR and make Windows Terminal as fast as refterm, trivially speaking, 2GB/s, no slower than the unoptimized refterm. Just to quote you: simple.

:-D

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by bogwog »

yowlingcat wrote: post #110
DHowett wrote: post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

> I get it, Microsoft sucks, we should all be fired, rah rah rah. Unironically, yes, UNLESS... - You're willing to take a serious look in the mirror (and understand that the way you reacted to the situation was defensive, passive aggressive and inflammatory rather than direct, constructive and conciliatory) - You assign credit where credit is due - You do a good faith post-mortem and come up with some way to make sur…

I'm all for firing these people for their disrespectful and unprofessional behavior but... being assholes and writing shitty software is on-brand for Microsoft. It'd be hypocritical of them to fire these people for this (although I guess hypocrisy is also on-brand for Microsoft, so who knows lol)

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by bfgoodrich »

trapnii wrote: post #425
bfgoodrich wrote: post #250

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https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 The original discussion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way the Casey individual approaches it. At all. And yes it is simple . If your basic text terminal gets 30 FPS on modern hardware (or worse), you have started with a bad foundation. That is just gross. The NYT commentary is a bit hilarious as you see that claim on here daily, repeatedly.

> And yes it is simple. I like. Please submit a PR and make Windows Terminal as fast as refterm, trivially speaking, 2GB/s, no slower than the unoptimized refterm. Just to quote you: simple. :-D

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by dmitriid »

trapnii wrote: post #421
dmitriid wrote: post #397

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> the part where "he" is wrong, is the part where he tells everyone that his reference software can be compared to a real terminal He very clearly states that his implementation is a terminal renderer . > And almost none of the techniques "he" brags about can be applied to a real terminal Elsewhere one of the people from the screenshots says "we implemented the same approach" because these techniques can be and have…

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He literally implements VT parsing etc.

Edit: Also read this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31285723 "We implemented Casey's approach and most modern terminals implement it". You need more proof?

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by jbverschoor »

woojoo666 wrote: post #420
jbverschoor wrote: post #321

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The problem that the poster has is that his input is basically being dismissed. He was too 'overconfident' with his 'opinion'. But it is exactly what has been implemented. It's basically this scenario: > "You don't understand, it's very very hard, next to impossible, to create a website where you can leave an email address. i think you should reread all the RFCs and a bunch of programming books. You have no right to…

That's not how I interpretted the github thread and blog post. It seemed like the MS team was saying "yes we know this is one way to solve it, but it's incredibly difficult", and one year later they post "we finally did it and this is how difficult it was". As the author of the blog post mentioned here, the sentence about how "trivial" it was, was actually sarcasm, and the rest of the blog post highlights the technic…

That's not how interpreted it.. there's way too much elitism in tech. And also aggregations about how easy or difficult things are.

"AI will solve things" -> they have no clue, and just trust it's gonna work itself.

"It's difficult to add a field to that form, it'll take 2 weeks" -> usually bs.

I read the thread, and I fully agree that it should be a weekend work. So yeah, it's just other devs mismanaging their time, and therefore saying that things take way longer.

The issue created 2 days afterwards (https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10461) starts with the previously suggested solution which didn't make any sense because the original post "didn't understand how DirectWrite works, and yadayadayada". The solution is as trivial as "but just optimize our render pass instead"

No sarcasm there.

The whole sarcasm is just covering up their own ass

1 day later implementation starts. 2 days after that it was implemented..

> Yep! And I'm entirely on it!

So eager to work on an issue created by himself instead of someone else!

> Terminal cannot turn away valuable performance work simply on ideological grounds.

The "Atlas-Engine" label hasn't been added to the original issue either.

It just stinks like people using politics to improve their HR performance review.

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