Important bit of state from the Show-Don't-Tell Department: > “Due to unforeseen technical difficulties, RMS gave his talk over audio only.”
I was checking in every once in a while when it was live once the video crapped out. I popped in and he was trashing Zoom, which I found a tad ironic...
Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
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Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#422From reading the other comments here, I understand that it's easy to pick something RMS said and say "Yeah, right..." But you have to keep in mind that RMS advocates the free software philosophy - the complete left end of the software spectrum - the white angel on your shoulder (not the red devil on the other). And while I find some of his points too radical to implement practically in my own situation, I believe it'…
I don't think this is true! There are notable portions of the free software community that are farther left (or whatever direction you may consider it to be) than Stallman and GNU.
Debian, for instance, rejects the GFDL as a non-free license when the "invariant sections" or "cover texts" mechanisms are used. These are clauses that allow GFDL documents to include words or even entire chapters that cannot be modified or removed from copies of the document. Stallman uses this clause to include a section about the ethics of the free software movement in documents like the GCC manual. Now, explaining the ethics of the free software movement is of course an important cause. But the manner in which this is done - preventing the GCC manual, or portions of it, from being freely modified in its entirety, from being recombined freely with other documents or code with otherwise-compatible licenses - is, in the view of Debian and others, incompatible with the free software philosophy.
This is a farther / more radical view. Stallman's view is that making some unmodifiable and unremovable sections in an otherwise-free work is an acceptable compromise. Debian's view is that there is no room for compromise. And Debian is an entire (and quite influential) Linux distribution.
Or take the AGPL, for instance, sponsored by now-defunct startup Affero. There are many people (myself included) who believe the AGPL is a restriction on use, freedom 0, because it prevents you from using AGPL software in certain contexts where the requirements cannot be fulfilled. Suppose I find some AGPL code with a neat algorithm for a session cache, or something, and I want to incorporate that into a TLS library. There is absolutely no way to fulfill the AGPL's requirement to make source code available to users who interact with my code over the network. The clause triggers, because users are indeed interacting over the network, but since there's no TLS extension to offer source, I can't actually do so. This is, it seems to me, as much of a restriction on use as "You can't use this in commercial settings" or "You can't use this for military applications." There's a reason that even GNU still uses the GPL for much of its software - they know the AGPL would make lots of their code effectively unusable in contexts where it ought to be usable.
Or, in the left-libertarian direction, consider the folks who want to abolish copyright entirely. The GPL fundamentally relies on copyright law, else it cannot have its particular effect over the MIT/BSD/etc. licenses where it requires redistributing source along with binaries. The GPLv2 itself starts by saying, "To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions" - there is a coherent political view that this is contradictory. There is certainly a popular view, popular among the BSDs and others, that those licenses are freer than the GNU ones. But there is also the farther and more radical view that even the MIT and BSD licenses are a compromise, and the goal should be questioning the validity of software copyrights the same way much of the free software community questions the validity of software patents.
(In fact, among non-experts, you can find a very common view that because something is released to the public in certain ways it ought to be "public domain." The Berne rule of every creative work being automatically copyrighted isn't clearly obvious to the general public, and it's a relatively recent rule, too!)
Stallman is influential, yes, and very passionate. But that's entirely different from him being all the way at the end of the range of discourse. It is worth listening to folks whose positions are less well-known but more radical.
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#423From reading the other comments here, I understand that it's easy to pick something RMS said and say "Yeah, right..." But you have to keep in mind that RMS advocates the free software philosophy - the complete left end of the software spectrum - the white angel on your shoulder (not the red devil on the other). And while I find some of his points too radical to implement practically in my own situation, I believe it'…
Most people would probably find his views and recommendations as too extreme to be practical, but he really does practice what he preaches in terms of only using free software for his own computing:
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
Private walled gardens would pretty much kill the competitive scene of most games. I used to play competitive dota (the original wc3 map) back in the day and the inhouse leagues were a massive pain in the ass. Same with all the various leagues for counter strike (1.6 at the time). UX was terrible, the moderation sucked and you still had to have anti-cheat as people would cheat even in private spaces. Usually the easi…
Counter-argument is Smash Bros, which is basically only private games and has a competitive scene.
Also smash is played on consoles that prevent one from installing cheats basically the fact that the whole platform is fully locked down is the anti-cheat. Still controllers are sometimes checked at tournaments for any additions that can run macros (most adapters that allow one to use a different consoles controller can do this)
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#425From reading the other comments here, I understand that it's easy to pick something RMS said and say "Yeah, right..." But you have to keep in mind that RMS advocates the free software philosophy - the complete left end of the software spectrum - the white angel on your shoulder (not the red devil on the other). And while I find some of his points too radical to implement practically in my own situation, I believe it'…
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want access from an app on your phone yes, not just to have access. The fact is it’s not just us that are stakeholders in the devices we carry. Our mobile network provider is a stakeholder, the manufacturer is a stakeholder, our bank is a stakeholder. This is why e.g. we don’t have unlimited rights over the bank cards or those access code generator devices some banks used to issue. If you want to use your phon…
> If you want access from an app on your phone yes, not just to have access. Ah, you mean in the case where you have a different computer available to you, that has not (yet) been locked against its user like your phone has. But we are so certain that this locking of compute won't spread, that we treat all other computers (that are locked), as an exotic exception, and the only remaining class of devices not yet locke…
> Having an interest does not imply exercising that interest is legitimate.
Whether that interest is legitimate and acceptable is a decision for the user. If I decide to accept the terms for my banking app, what’s that got to do with you?
> one cannot in good faith argue that consumers choose locked products among equivalent unlocked ones
I refer you to the market share enjoyed by the iPhone relative to Android (when it was moderately ‘free’). Clearly a lot of people, myself included, are in fact making that choice.
> the interests of a free society, that needs a populace able to use software other than only what is approved by giant corporations
How valuable can a fundamental, essential freedom actually be when hardly anyone understand what it is or cares a fig about it, and most of those who do understand it still don’t care?
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#427From reading the other comments here, I understand that it's easy to pick something RMS said and say "Yeah, right..." But you have to keep in mind that RMS advocates the free software philosophy - the complete left end of the software spectrum - the white angel on your shoulder (not the red devil on the other). And while I find some of his points too radical to implement practically in my own situation, I believe it'…
>>> And while I find some of his points too radical to implement practically in my own situation, I believe it's very important that we have someone like him in the tech world. As a result, whenever there is a RMS talk, I listen to it. And each time I gain new and valuable perspectives about free software that help guide future decisions. Most people would probably find his views and recommendations as too extreme to…
Wow. My first thought upon reading that is that seems quite extreme. Having said that, it just shows you how normalized it's become to track all transactions.
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
No it isn’t. Anti cheat is basically DRM/malware. If you could fully understand how it works you could just modify it / work your cheats around it.
No, not at all. You are making the same mistake as "security by obscurity". If fully understanding your anticheat breaks it, it was broken to begin with.
How can you possibly verify the mouse was moved by a human rather than a script when the script had the ability to lie about any check you put in place. In the end it comes to making the check so hard to understand that you can’t work it out fast enough to keep ahead.
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
It amazes me that the very first personal computer I had was effectively useless without being able to write your own software. It wasn"t an Apple ][ but they encouraged software development, it was a huge part of 8 bit culture. 40 years later, trying to get something running on a modern Mac is painful, and they gatekeep it with Xcode and a variety of user hostile features. They have become what they despised in that…
40 years later, trying to get something running on a modern Mac is painful Right click on app, select ‘open’. If you get a prompt warning about an unknown developer, pick the option to run the app anyway. Getting angry about a prompt that you only ever see once (it won’t prompt you again) seems extreme.
Scenario: you want to sell an app for Mac.
You can put it on the Mac app store and pay Apple’s tax (and live at the mercy of Apple, who are a terrible business partner)
Or you can sell it through your website and not pay Apple’s tax. Except if you do this, Apple will tell your customers that you’re potentially a virus, and you have to invest more on customer support and education materials just to teach people how to launch your app (through no fault of your own). In some cases, it’s just not feasible to do this, and you just have to accept reduced sales and/or increased returns/chargebacks from angry customers that blame you for Apple’s decision.
Apple’s Mac app store has a huge competitive advantage thanks to this unfair practice. Your competitors will beat you if they put their app on the Mac app store, no matter how much money you invest into advertising and improving your product.
That’s anti-competitive behavior from a monopolist. It’s the same situation on Android (it’s actually worse on Android, as Google is the pioneer in this field)
Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement
#430>Unless the game is non-free — then it's bad for you, if you play it I'm all for free software and the less-free open source licenses out there, but the above sentiment is a form of fundamentalism that I think alienates people and makes them view FS as represent by RMS as extremist and somewhat irrational. We don't insist that all movies should be released with accompanying raw footage, or that authors should release…
I think in that example the analogy might be more along the lines of studios who come down hard on fan fiction, forbidding it, versus those that allow it or even encourage or draw inspiration from it. Although my analogy falls short because even studios that don't allow fan fiction can't be as restrictive as most software, since everyone is still free to come up with fan fiction in the privacy of their own home. Not…