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Post by orwin »

bigcat123 wrote: post #401
stjohnswarts wrote: post #370

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I've seen the same in Indian news in reference to the USA. All country's news are slanted towards their populous. However in countries like China and Russia they print straight up lies.

I am amused that one who know neither Chinese and Russian languages confidently claim that their media are lying, based on the reporting that one knows as biased. Let's put in this way. One saw a black box. One was told that the black box contains some nasty staff. One knows that the above statement is biased. One then claim that the black box contains the nasty thing. See how bias anchored one's thought, even if cle…

I mean, calling Zelenskyj a nazi dictator is quite stupid. He was elected in 2019, won elections against the previous Ukrainian 'dictator' (who was also put in the seat by the CIA if you believe the dictator narrative).

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Post by orwin »

ashwagary wrote: post #271
whatshisface wrote: post #236

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That's true, but it remains that bioweapon research is distinct from virus research.

I disagree, there is plenty of overlap.

No, no bioweapon is a virus. You have toxin based or bacteria based bioweapons, but not any virus bioweapon yet. It's a bad idea, and an extremely difficult and costly operation to engineer a virus.

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Post by t-3 »

Gravityloss wrote: post #418
jlduan wrote: post #361

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It might come as a surprise to you. But a lot of countries in Asia consider US and China are both bullies. Just look how many Asia countries joined the US-lead economic sanction/coercion. Very few.

Yeah, so why does the US have to be involved? The countries could co-operate on their own?

Doesn't work if they don't have nukes. Maybe India can play daddy?

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Post by t-3 »

orwin wrote: post #422
ashwagary wrote: post #271

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I disagree, there is plenty of overlap.

No, no bioweapon is a virus. You have toxin based or bacteria based bioweapons, but not any virus bioweapon yet. It's a bad idea, and an extremely difficult and costly operation to engineer a virus.

Do you think nobody is carrying out research just because it's costly, difficult, and hasn't been demonstrated yet?

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Post by Gravityloss »

t-3 wrote: post #423
Gravityloss wrote: post #418

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Yeah, so why does the US have to be involved? The countries could co-operate on their own?

Doesn't work if they don't have nukes. Maybe India can play daddy?

even with conventional weapons, taking on three countries should be a lot higher threshold than one...

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Post by t-3 »

actuator wrote: post #301
retrac wrote: post #270

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> the fact that they didn’t vote against the UN Resolution with Russia China has, very consistently for decades now, maintained that every nation's borders are Super Duper Sacred and Never Ever to be challenged. That every sovereign nation can do whatever it wants within its UN-recognized borders. This is for obvious reasons over Xinjiang and Taiwan and Tibet and etc. Abstention was their only realistic option. And q…

> China has, very consistently for decades now, maintained that every nation's borders are Super Duper Sacred and Never Ever to be challenged. That every sovereign nation can do whatever it wants within its UN-recognized borders Well, Ukraine's borders are recognised by UN and CCP respecting others borders is simply not true. Just ask their neighbours.

The thing is, China's claimed borders include those areas. This is politics, not a mission for truth and ethical conduct. Their definitions are entirely self-serving and certainly differ from those of their enemies.

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Post by t-3 »

ashwagary wrote: post #305
kstenerud wrote: post #59

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Anti-NATO sentiment has become pivotal to China's future and the new world order since recent events have pushed most of the world into America's corner (which hurts China). Now they're basically compensating for Russia's mess (and won't ever let them forget that).

Anti-NATO (countries) sentiment has existed since those countries invaded and looted China (and many other countries) 200 years ago. This sentiment exists in much of the world but has economic consequences that most countries cannot bare.

Exactly. I think many also forget that Russia is not a traditional enemy of the rest of the world the same way it is to US/EU/Japan. The Cold War vibe in the US right now is like being a kid in the 90s hearing the military guys go apoplectic about "commies" anytime Russia comes up.

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sidibe wrote: post #48
tablespoon wrote: post #31

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> What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan. China will not get sanctioned like Russia has. The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten. Or, more precisely, it will get sanctioned like Russia has, but like the Russian sanctions, they will include…

I think it would take less sanctions to send Chinese to the streets, so China would be more likely to try not to get sanctioned. We see locally they vent fury over economic issues quite often despite much more locked down media and a generally better looking economy than Russia. People in China are fine with the government as long as the economy is good, not sure how they would react to the government getting sanctio…

If the sanction feels like an attack, it will only rally people, IMO. By all accounts, China isn't like the US where we mock blind nationalism all the time, they are very nationalistic and patriotic.

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Post by jessaustin »

_ph_ wrote: post #281
jessaustin wrote: post #151

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China can trade with Russia as much as it wants. Ukraine might sanction them, but no one else is going to cut off China.

The point in the previous comment was, that there is little China can get from a trade with Russia other than natural resources. Russia is quickly running out of foreign money. While the West cannot "cut off" China as too much manufacturing has moved there, supporting Russia in this already has an impact on the reception of Chinese brands in the West. Perhaps less so in the US, but so far Chinese brands are quite pop…

As a populous nation whose economy is based primarily on manufacturing, natural resources is the main thing that China would want to obtain from any other nation, particularly one with whom it shares the sixth-longest international border.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

cityzen wrote: post #306
mensetmanusman wrote: post #96

I see these conspiracies starting to enter my social media: apparently they are saying the us is running dozens of biowarfare labs. The only evidence is photoshopped maps. No one ever has a list of addresses to verify, ha.

Sounds kind of like the US government gaslighting americans to believe Iraq had WMDs...

Yes, but the stupid thing on Russia’s part is that they waited until after the invasion to start this conversation.

It’s almost like the population has laughed at the prospect of going to war to defeat a Jewish Nazi and now they are scrambling to post rationalize.

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