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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by m463 »

brimble wrote: post #97
m463 wrote: post #72

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> Can you use Apple products without an account? yes and no ios devices must hook to internet to activate. they must phone home. That said you can navigate the dark patterns and don't need to use apple id (but you also can't install apps, etc) for mac you can say this device doesn't connect to the internet. but as soon as you do it phones home.

> for mac you can say this device doesn't connect to the internet. but as soon as you do it phones home. Yes, but to clarify the specific point, you still do not need an Apple account to use a Mac, even if it's phoning home.

I believe you need one to download apps though. for instance, I think the apps that come with the mac from the store don't reappear if you recover the OS unless you sign into the app store.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by allisdust »

bitwize wrote: post #408
polotics wrote: post #136

Never again windows with Microsoft accounts. I have two windows 10 licenses, one home and one pro. I made the mistake of associating the licenses to my Microsoft account and now there is no way to move the pro license from the old PC to the new one. The Microsoft support site is a complete joke of unpaid chatterers that send you on wild goose chase, the web is full of SEO bullshit site that keyword-dance around the i…

Congratulations, you've just created an IT nightmare. By forgoing the easy configurability of Outlook, Exchange, and Active Directory, you've added an untold amount to the TCO of your laptop fleet and IT infrastructure! You've also created problems down the line as it's more difficult to procure endpoint security and whitelisting solutions for Linux than for Mac or Windows. There's a reason why enterprises choose Mic…

Agree about not making decisions when mad but aren't there good options beyond MS for the things you mentioned. Gsuite or any number of other office + mail providers can replace outlook. AD is useless these days unless you have Windows machines to administer or may be with azure cloud which by all accounts sucks when compared to gcp/aws.

So what would an organisation miss when leaving windows ecosystem to lets say mac or Linux.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by allisdust »

alar44 wrote: post #292

Guys, Microsoft doesn't give two shits about home users. Their bread and butter is businesses. And M365 is amazing for business. If you think M$ suxors, you're not the target demographic. I'd much rather manage 200 users with M365 than some fucked up combo of slack, Google, Dropbox, and libreoffice.

You will have to think, If its so simple how long is such a job profile going to last?

Better hope for complexity some times (:

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by gigel82 »

itronitron wrote: post #226
vjust wrote: post #70

Dialing up the annoyance level to a 11. Microsoft has spent the last 6 years or more glacially gravitating its OS-developer features towards Ubuntu. Because they couldn't do better - VSCode being the one crowning glory - and not an insignificant one. The side annoyances of a barely functional Cortana & Edge, were things I looked past, now add one more, a required account - we'll be led into unknown realms of integrat…

I actually hate VS Code after earnestly trying it for a year (2019). It is decades behind other IDEs in terms of capability.

It's a code editor, not an IDE... they never claimed otherwise.

Sure, there are extensions now that almost make it an IDE (integrated debugger, support for some build systems, etc.) but if you need the real thing, get the real thing.

For debugging native code I always bring up Visual Studio or WinDBG, but as an editor, VSCode is significantly lighter and faster (despite it being built on Electron) than full VS.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by allisdust »

grishka wrote: post #34
larrik wrote: post #16

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Here's one: Linux is better. A lot better. If you are worried about gaming or other apps, Win7 won't be much better than Linux (won't have latest DirectX or anything), and may end up far worse by then.

Desktop linux is as much of an incoherent, barely working mess as it has always been.

Not sure when or what you have tried. Linux on desktop is rock solid often not even needing to install anything to support latest hardware. Unless you want to there is no reason to even open terminal.

For those wanting to try Linux coming from Windows, I recommend latest fedora with kde. You will get good support for latest hardware and kde is close to Windows and just works.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by lpcvoid »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #420
lpcvoid wrote: post #416

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Why is that? I know people who run large businesses on OVH hosted email. Own domain, SMTP/IMAP goodness, everything just works, cheap and portable. Why would I ever want to ensnare me or my users to a Microsoft owned service?

I just looked at OVH’s offerings and it looks like their email is just based on Microsoft Exchange Server? [1] I still count that as Microsoft. It’s the same software, just in OVH’s instead of Microsoft’s datacenters. [1] https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/emails/

I actually didn't know that, thanks. Then I'd change OVH to Migadu, which works well too. And in my book it's already a good start if something is not hosted by Microsoft :)

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by joveian »

TillE wrote: post #29
nickdurfe wrote: post #6

I believe you can still choose the domain join option during install and still create a local account

Are there any simple domain server emulators out there which I could just run on a Raspberry Pi or whatever, like the fake KMS servers? That would be a decent workaround.

Removing the network connection might still work? Windows 10 could be installed and activated fully offline (activated via "slui 0x4" command that gives you 9 six digit numbers and tells you to call a number based on your location; after you enter them, you get 8 six digit numbers back to activate).

From another comment it sounds like you might not actually need to join a domain, it will just let you make a local account so that you can join a domain later.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30390857

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by oynqr »

plushpuffin wrote: post #245
colordrops wrote: post #193

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These morons at MS decided to force a very confusing and friction-ful Minecraft account migration from Mojang to MS just as all the kids are migrating from Minecraft to Roblox. I'm sure this is only accelerating Minecraft's demise.

Also, if you have multiple Minecraft accounts, the official launcher is much slower to switch between them than it used to be with the old Mojang accounts. It was so annoying that I finally bit the bullet and switched to the MultiMC launcher, even though it's really frustrating getting the various plugins like Optifine working with it every time the game updates.

There's a relatively new hard fork of MultiMC called PolyMC that aims to fix these papercuts, amongst other things.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by ajot »

fuster wrote: post #218
colordrops wrote: post #193

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These morons at MS decided to force a very confusing and friction-ful Minecraft account migration from Mojang to MS just as all the kids are migrating from Minecraft to Roblox. I'm sure this is only accelerating Minecraft's demise.

This one absolutely kills me. Why do my kids need Microsoft accounts for this? Their official instructions ask for DOB and require checking some box about allowing my kids to sign into "third-party applications". Not to mention all the legal crap I'll have to agree to, settings to scrutinize and opt-out of to ensure privacy, etc. I am this close to just telling them that they're going to have to abandon their favorit…

Have you given Minetest (AFAIK the biggest Minecraft FLOSS clone) a try? Maybe your kids like it and you can stop hassling around with Microsoft's shenanigans.
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