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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

FpUser wrote: post #399
PierceJoy wrote: post #319

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You do know that the vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require being vaccinated, right? Did you know that vaccine requirements for certain jobs have existed for decades, and no one has lost their minds like this? Do you think it’s possible that right wing politicians are purposely trying to cause outrage over something that has been a normal and accepted practise in order to further their political goals?

>"You do know that the vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require being vaccinated, right?" Well suddenly vast majority now does require COVID vaccination. It is forced even on people that never show up in the office. So if I were you I'd come up with some better arguments to advance the agenda.

> Well suddenly vast majority now does require COVID vaccination.

Except that's not true.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by RayRayRah »

alea_iacta_est wrote: post #314
giaour wrote: post #259

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Quarantines are not a novel or exotic public health measure. Try again. You specifically called out the government making you quit smoking or forcing you to eat better in your original post.

Lockdown and quarantine are very different. And it's you who mentionned "completely novel and exotic government actions", to which I point out that it's already happened with lockdowns. There's nothing in history that resemble what has happened in those last 2 years, whether you agree or not won't change that fact.

1918 had some cities implement lockdowns as a response to the rapidly spreading Spanish Flu. And then there were anti-lockdown protests which caused some cities to lift their lockdowns early and the virus surged. Business owners also railed against the lockdowns, and were sometimes successful in getting them lifted.

There was a similar situation with mandatory masks, and then loud anti-mask protests which resulted in the lifting of some mask mandates.

What happened over the past two years has happened before, and will probably happen again. You can find examples of lockdowns in other pandemic eras. Venice partially locked down in 1575 due to the plague.

You may disagree with lockdowns, but there's plenty of precedent. Your "fact" is incorrect.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-citie...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-poin...

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/historical-precedents-lock...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by seized »

naasking wrote: post #349
criley2 wrote: post #183

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This is a classic slippery slope argument. Losing weight is not the same thing as a pandemic like this. The two-fold reason that these measures are taken is A) over-filling of hospitals and shut-down of all non-emergency services and B) extremely high death rate. Smoking or whatever scary slippery slope you think we're on is not the same thing as the ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of peo…

> ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of people dropping dead that normally wouldn't This claim is mostly overblown at this point. It was a legitimate concern early on, but it hasn't been true for some time. The vaccine claims are also misleading. Herd immunity by vaccination is not the only way to protect society, and the distinct lack of discussion or recognition of immunity from infection…

As someone who works in a healthcare type field and with a nurse in the family... No, it's not overblown.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwawaysea »

PierceJoy wrote: post #409
throwawaysea wrote: post #386

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It is being forced. If you can experience significant losses or risks unless you comply, that’s being forced. You’re being disingenuous. It’s easy to see where this breaks down - per your logic a mobster running a protection racket isn’t forcing anyone to pay extortion money either.

It's not forced. There any many jobs that don't require a vaccine. It's a choice. A protection racket is enforced through the use of physical violence. Terrible analogy.

And this is forced through other means that aren’t physical - but it is still forced. I am also not sure why the choice to get other jobs changes or justifies anything here. For example consider this: “There are other jobs so quit complaining when we racially discriminate against you.”

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by culi »

pessimizer wrote: post #338

I'm completely unsympathetic (or rather hostile) to the protests, but I find it shocking that there's any legal framework under which Gofundme could shut down the page, seize all of the donations, and force people to basically file paperwork to get them back. There's something deeply asymmetrical in the way we treat white-collar crime as opposed to street crime. It's bizarre that they even though they could get away…

> I find it shocking that there's any legal framework under which Gofundme could shut down the page, seize all of the donations, and force people to basically file paperwork to get them back. There's something deeply asymmetrical in the way we treat white-collar crime as opposed to street crime.

I agree that it's fucked up, but the "legal framework" is just the fact that people agreed to the terms and conditions. It's not really shocking, though that doesn't make it right

Also, to be clear, the donations that weren't refunded were to go to charities of the choosing of the organizers. It's not just being pocketed

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by naasking »

seized wrote: post #423
naasking wrote: post #349

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> ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of people dropping dead that normally wouldn't This claim is mostly overblown at this point. It was a legitimate concern early on, but it hasn't been true for some time. The vaccine claims are also misleading. Herd immunity by vaccination is not the only way to protect society, and the distinct lack of discussion or recognition of immunity from infection…

As someone who works in a healthcare type field and with a nurse in the family... No, it's not overblown.

Availability of ICU beds here in Ontario has basically been flat since September, with a slight reduction recently due to Omicron:

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

Furthermore, unvaccinated people are occupying fewer beds than vaccinated people in terms of numbers. Even if they all got vaccinated, we'd be basically in exactly the same place, so how do you expect vaccine mandates to help here?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by FpUser »

blast wrote: post #397
PierceJoy wrote: post #352

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Your only taking away someone’s livelihood if being an unvaccinated trucker is their only option. The vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require a vaccine. Choices have consequences. Mandatory school vaccinations, mandatory military vaccinations, mandatory drug testing in many jobs, etc. Why did no one lose their minds over those things?

I think you've effectively conceded the point here. Losing one's job is generally understood to be a catastrophic outcome for people in our society, especially when someone has been doing that job for a long time (and perhaps also doesn't have the educational level to get another job at anything close to the same compensation). It follows that "do X or you're fired" is a form of force or coercion. In fact that's so o…

It is typical hypocritical government logic. That's what they say when fucking up one's life:

Gov: it is not a punishment.

Victim: But, but ...

Gov: Sorry but it is your problem / choice / insert your favorite hypocritical BS

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by jterrys »

defaultname wrote: post #324
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #294

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GoFundMe literally had no problem with CHAZ/CHOP and BLM protest funding in the middle of a pandemic.

So we agree, GFM should have nothing to do with any occupation, right? You agree with this, correct? You think that I'm some sort of partisan in this -- perhaps a projection -- and you caught me in hypocrisy. But you didn't. Financing protests is an incredibly dangerous game. I was against BLM justified violence and looting, as well as the various "free" zones. I was against the railway blockades in Canada (due to co…

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by culi »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #359
culi wrote: post #255

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DeSantis initiated this after they changed their stance. This is purely a political move. Just go check out patriots.win (the successor to /r/thedonald). They're still completely convinced that GFM took all the money and is giving it to BLM. I'm not even being hyperbolic, check it out DeSantis probably just picked up on the rightwing twitter chatter and is trying to ride the wave

The original thedonald.win was shut down by legal pressure from the White House. Patriots.win appears to be just the extremists from the old platform.

No... I was following along with thedonald.win for a long time. They were preparing for a transition to patriots.win for months before they ditched the old domain. It came from some letter of Trump's who vaguely hinted towards starting a new party called the "Patriots Party". Obviously that never came to pass, but the name stuck

It's literally the exact same platform, style, users, posts, etc. Nothing got "shut down"

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